tonight's event [Archive]

Brassy

06-02-2001, 03:47 AM

A nice change!

I had a great time, the items were interesting and the trader was patient. Very patient. ;)

I hope we have more auctions of that kind where the focus is on "domesticity" and not weapons. I hope to see another soon. Ingamewise it was a nice distraction from the eternal war. Thank you.

My favorite thing, was wondering if that four poster bed was going to win and that poor trader end up having to close the auction to get rescued from under it by one of Seneda's clerks. *giggles*

Just had to add my thanks. It was fun. Can't wait to see if if he comes back to struggle under a cast iron stove. *grin*

Holypaladin

06-02-2001, 07:38 AM

You guys think the bed was heavy? what about that rocking horse Cassie won? I hadta try and carry the thing back to our apartment, and it was too heavy to even drag!

Thanks to Beamer for fixing this though :)

Retalq Blade
"The Man, Not the Metal"

Govan

06-02-2001, 07:41 AM

I don't know about you, but I found Shalsi damned funny. Some items would open at 10 denars, and the first bid would instantly be 2 talents. ;) Come on, it's REVOLTING.

She went up there to make a point, and I think she did it well. ANYTHING at a GM run auction will increase in price until at times you pay 20X its worth.

You always see the same people bidding as well, kinda wish some of you'd fall off a cliff right before the auction ;) Give some of the poorer people a chance.

;p

Brassy

06-02-2001, 07:57 AM

Govan I see your point but I have to interject that GM items for auction tend to be one of a kind. You do know what supply and demand is right?

The demand for exactly ~those~ items is what makes the price jump through the roof. That and the fact that Iridine is in a war and items ~are~ rare. Even odds and ends. What Shalsi did was something no-one in their right mind would have done or been able to do if we'd all paid attention to that blurb that said the auction house had been RESERVED ahead of time.

It was poor roleplaying pure and simple. You wanna make a point like that? That is what the forums are for.

And before someone makes the sad mistake of thinking I had a character that came away with a bid upon item, I didn't. I had a great attempting to tho. :p

estrough

06-02-2001, 08:06 AM

I agree with Govan the bidding last night went beyond rediculous. I mean come on, several talents for a hat? That is just nuts. The bed was even worse. Why didn't those people just save thier money and by a stinking insula for Ereal's sake. Oh well, the knife I got should sell for something in a while.

illabrat

06-02-2001, 08:09 AM

Oh, so you mean the people at the auction wouldn't have gotten the point Shalsi was supposedly making if the little farce hadn't been played out?
And Malis' attempt to sell things just emphasized what a bad idea it was. A large part of teaching newbies is setting an example and no matter how pointed Shalsi's arguement was, it failed because of this.

I paid four talents for a hat and it was pretty steep. But it makes my main character look the way I want him to. It might be bad roleplaying to spend a lot of coin for such a trivial item, but I think that's outweighed by the fact my character's physical appearance is getting closer to what I want.

Govan

06-02-2001, 08:19 AM

Not really, Brassy.

She snuck past the guards. She ran up to the stage and started bidding on the dagger. What's so OOC about that?

She was later removed from the stage and kicked out of the auction house....which would be a great IC consequence for what she did.

Yes, I know GM sold items are rare, still doesn't mean people have to be hogs ;p The only time Govan ever came close to getting something at an auction house, someone, and only one person, beat her by bidding 3T more. I mean....hell, 500 denars would have done it, but no, he bids 3T, making it a bit absurd - and a bit insulting to others who are there who honestly want to try, and not be outbid like that.

It becomes really upsetting when you see people bid on things, win them, and know they'll spend the rest of their days in an inn room or a bank account just so someone can have them, and others cannot.

If you buy something, you should use it, right? How many necklaces do people need? You can only wear one at a time. Yet I know people with upwards of TEN nice ones, not the common ones that get bantered around.

When I see people like those outbid me, it hurts, because you know the item will not be used much IF at all.

Do you know what I'm saying? I know you've played a character which doesn't make money like a fighter does. *shrug*

Loose

06-02-2001, 08:26 AM

Govan, have you ever been to a real auction? no I'm not talking ebay, or Ubid. But a real live auction? I go to car auctions, estate auctions, and because I live in the sticks livestock auctions all the time. And people if they want it bad enough, and have the cash, will spend just about whatever it takes to win a bid. If you don't the way that works in the game I suggest you never go to a RL auction. anyways, how's the game :(

nick

Jolee

06-02-2001, 09:50 AM

Well, color me dense, but if Shalsi went up there to make a point it was a wasted effort on me. Maybe I missed it through my irritation. I found her incredibly rude to the trader who had RESERVED the auction house.

And frankly, her point comes across more as sour grapes. True, people pumping bids up from a few denars to a couple of talents is unnecessary. But take it up with the offending party.

Brassy is right. Prices are determined by supply and demand. Was Shalini outrageous for spending 13 talents on the thin silver waistchain? Probably. But she'd tried to buy the only existing one for a long time and couldn't. When this one came available, she was determined to buy it. She worked for her denars, she should be allowed to spend them how or on what she pleases. And to put your mind at rest it will be worn. However, how many necklaces, rings or other items she or anyone else owns (or wears) is no one's business. She doesn't buy things just to take away the opportunities for others, and only bids on what she truly wants. The other bidders are the same way. We all didn't go to the auction to deprive Govan or Estrough.

By the way, Estrough, the patricians were in attendance at the auction. That's why the bed went for so much. When they are in attendance we peons are lucky to get anything. ;) Although..this peon tried. :D

And Govan, one final note. Shalini has held 'a poor man's auction' for the poorer people. I didn't have a lot of great stuff..but I tried. And I was interrupted just like the trader was. Maybe that's why I was so angry cause I knew how it felt.

Jolee, who loves the action of auctions.

estrough

06-02-2001, 11:11 AM

Perhaps the solution for people bidding 13 talents on a small hat is to have more shops with hats. Do we even have a hat shop? Probably not. I hope that when the GM's complete the city, if they do, they have stores with these "trivial" items that went for the price of an insula. To be honest with you, I think that diverse domestic supplies are rare. That's why everything went so high. Now I'm going to stop rambling and do something else.

Govan

06-02-2001, 11:49 AM

*shrugs*

It's not real life, Loose - I am hoping everyone can have fun, and I know there often are a lot of BITTER people who see the same few people buy all the items.

As for myself, I have no need for them, I go to be entertained ;p

And perhaps what Shalsi did was rude. Maybe her character is rude? As I see it, her actions were totally IC and anyone who claims otherwise needs a crack in the head ;p

illabrat

06-02-2001, 12:02 PM

Actually, Shalsi was pointing out that everyone was acting in an OOC manner. How many times have we been told not to do that?

Govan

06-02-2001, 12:07 PM

That is NOT what I think, Illabrat.

I think she was pointing out that anything sold at the auction would go for WAY more than its worth, hence her auctioning off a thug dagger, one of the more cheap items in the game.

She was mocking people who would spent 10 talents on a rocking horse, or 4 talents on a HAT (last I checked, they still sold hats in Monlon?).

We're sitting in the back row making snide comments about the people who are paying way more for items than they are worth, she just did it publickly.

illabrat

06-02-2001, 12:27 PM

You've stated your opinion, Govan. I don't have to read it five times, okay?
And I'm not exactly overburdened with unique items, how about you find another target for your bitterness? Go back and read why I spent so much money on the hat. I can't understand why someone would have a problem with that.

Govan

06-02-2001, 12:31 PM

*twitches*

I was using you as an example, not lashing out with bitterness, because I'm NOT bitter ;) I could have used the bed, the hair pin, anything else, but since you had posted, I chose you. Geeze ;p

And as for not posting my opinion - I do so to refute yours. But rather than that, explain to me how Shalsi was being OOC? I don't see it, but apparently several others think that way.

illabrat

06-02-2001, 12:38 PM

People were acting in an OOC manner. Paying 4 talents for a hat is ridiculous if you take it in a pure in character context. But we ignore it for the sake of gameplay. Shalsi's player should've done the same.

It's like knowing the event's on even when we haven't gotten any real IG notification of it. If we were all being purely in character about it, no one would've been there.

Form1

06-02-2001, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by illabrat
People were acting in an OOC manner. Paying 4 talents for a hat is ridiculous if you take it in a pure in character context. But we ignore it for the sake of gameplay. Shalsi's player should've done the same.

It's like knowing the event's on even when we haven't gotten any real IG notification of it. If we were all being purely in character about it, no one would've been there.

Call me a purist, but I have a hard time believing Shalsi would be so stupid so as not to think "Hey, that's a hat and it's going for 4t. Let's try and sell this dagger! *giggle*". You want to be OOC? Fine. Have fun. I, for one, won't, and it's absolutely, completely insane to suggest that somehow by having my character react completely, as you say, inside the character's context, I am being OOC. You seem to suggest that, because everyone is being OOC, I should be also, albeit in a different way.

Nope. I don't RP like that. I had Shalsi do that because that's how she'd react to the situation. By definition, that's IC. Period.

Dave

illabrat

06-02-2001, 01:44 PM

Vladmir

06-02-2001, 03:36 PM

Shalshi was funny as hell. Period. The irony of the entire situation is that her item was more useful than anything that was auctioned off (with the exception of the bag). I'm not saying people who bid on the normal items were stupid, I just think that the point Shalshi made, whether she intended too or not, was right on the mark.

And as far as no one in their right mind doing such a thing....a man ran naked across the stage at one years Academy Awards, so that argument holds no weight.:D

Neither, on the other hand, does the argument that people were being OOC. There are plenty of people IRL who spend way too much money on items that have no value beyond being 'purty' or rare, and there's plenty of people in Iridine that do the same thing no matter how ridiculous the practice is. Shalshi, on the other hand, seemed to be making a deliberate point in a disruptive but comical manner, which is perfectly belivable too.

For the record, I would have loved that hat...but Vlad's not dumb enough to pay 5 talents for it.:D

Form1

06-02-2001, 03:51 PM

Then why was she there? If you're an RP purist, how did she know the event was on? There were no in game posting about it and no announcements in think. And why didn't the big, strong guards scare her off? If she's supposed to be a bimbo how come the men looking fearsome didn't chase her away?

I'm not *that* much of a purist. (Of course, if I wanted to get *real* technical, I could say that the first thing she heard in her head when she awoke was "Has the auction started?" Sorta gives it away.) I also never said she was a bimbo - she isn't. She's not the sharpest razor in the box, but not a bimbo, either.

I can play the justification game as well: my character has a short temper and low tolerance so he jacked the bid up to a price no one would challenge to get the whole thing over with. He's done it before, at the Guild of Locksmiths auction. I had someone question his motives in game and they got a suitably barbed response.

I'm not nessecarily attacking the OOCness of jacking auctions. As far as that goes, I know it's not going to change. Just don't try and call my IG reaction OOC.

It's simple to assume that we remain in character at all times. There are times where we have to conceed realism for the sake of gameplay. The most obvious example is the mechanics of the game. Everyone trains in ranks, but they don't mention them. Similarly, I bid a unrealistic amount for an item at a sale. Is it OOC? Yeah. Does it matter? Only to pedants.

The real problem is that the system is a fairly good example of a free market - with close to zero supply for the item at hand. In reality, however, as soon as, say, someone got four talents for that hat, the local hat makers would immediately flood the market with imitations, making the hat have a very low value. It's not likely to change until craftsmen/smithies/etc get played by PCs, and even then it would be problematic.

If you've got a problem with the way people are roleplaying, air it here or in person in the game. It's frustrating to see an event held up like that. If I wanna be frustrated I'll turn on the television.

I'm sorry if you found it frustrating, but, hey, I find a lot of things frustrating IG. I roleplay. If you find it frustrating, it's unfortunate, but, frankly, Illabrat, you seem to find an awful lot of legitimate roleplaying frustrating.

Dave

illabrat

06-02-2001, 05:23 PM

You know you love me, Dave.

The auction's over. What bothered me most about what Shalsi did was how a newbie imitated her straight away. A lot of bad behavior in the game comes from examples set, no matter how well intentioned.

Brassy

06-03-2001, 12:12 AM

I never said she was ooc.I said she was poorly roleplayed. But let me define what I mean when I say "Roleplay". When I first came to TEC, it was all "in character" or nothing. I still tend to be that way. But over time people like Jolee have posted good points which have caused me to develop a definition that is still a work in progress.
At this point in time, my view of Shalsi's behaviour is that she was poorly roleplayed. Rudeness ingame as a rude idiot is one thing. But there is another type of rudeness. Rudeness to a GM who might have wanted to end the event at a reasonable time. Rudeness to the fellow roleplayers who might have had a very limited time to be there, and might have had to sleep before seeing more items brought forward. And why did they have to wait? Because Shalsi's ROLEPLAYER is inconsiderate. Be rude and yell in game and suffer the ingame consequences. But hang it to slow down an event attended by a LARGE number of fellow roleplayers is BAD roleplaying. It didn't ADD to the PURPOSE of the event. In my book between that, the bad example it set to an already annoying newbie, the time it wasted for all of us --- it ranks up there with spamming think in allcaps.

Livy

06-03-2001, 12:23 AM

Hokay, chill out just a little bit.

I can't say I really see what all the fuss is about, on either end.

Govan, if people want to spend money, then let 'em. It's their money. You might think they're dumb about to spend so much, but the point remains that you have no say whatsoever if they want to spend ten talents on a jewel-encrusted toenail clipper.

As for Shalsi, I found her incredibly annoying and thought she did nothing more than ruined the flow of a good event. Nonetheless, she has every right in the world to go up there and act like a jackass as long as she roleplayed the bit out, which she did up until her forceful removal.

And as for the bag... I like it quite a bit. And I wasn't actually expecting to win the bid, either.

Later,
Livy

Vladmir

06-03-2001, 07:57 AM

Being rude and slowing down an event could be construed as a lack of consideration by the character's player.

If, however, leaping up onto the stage and making her point the way she did was in fact something that character would do, it is not, by any stretch of the imagination, bad roleplaying.

Some people claim that the point was lost on them. That's fine. I know that when Vlad saw her jump up there and start showing off her dagger, he knew exactly what she was trying to say.

Whether or not someone wants to spend 20 talents on an item that is merely decorative is their business, of course. Whether or not someone else wants to ridicule this outrageous level of excess is ALSO their business. Fine, Shalsi annoyed people. She amused quite a few of them too. I thought her auctioning off her little dagger was funny as hell. Either way it doesn't constitute bad roleplaying, and her being 'out of line' doesn't make the prices being paid for useless items any less ridiculous. If you're willing to pay such prices, fine, but it's still a pretty ridiculous waste of money. No hairpin is worth 1/5 of a house.

Jolee

06-04-2001, 03:42 AM

Whether or not someone wants to spend 20 talents on an item that is merely decorative is their business, of course. Whether or not someone else wants to ridicule this outrageous level of excess is ALSO their business. Fine, Shalsi annoyed people. She amused quite a few of them too. I thought her auctioning off her little dagger was funny as hell. Either way it doesn't constitute bad roleplaying, and her being 'out of line' doesn't make the prices being paid for useless items any less ridiculous. If you're willing to pay such prices, fine, but it's still a pretty ridiculous waste of money. No hairpin is worth 1/5 of a house.

*scratches her head in confusion* Frankly, I don't understand what there is to ridicule. Spending money, however much, on decorative items (and I can think of many uses for her waistchain, Illabrat's hat is to be worn, a rocking horse is to be ridden, anyway..you get my drift) is up to the one with the money to spend. Even if something isn't functional, if it is something we desire, why ridicule us for buying it? Sounds like it was fueled more by bitterness than anything. Yeah, we'd rather not pay that many talents, but its not like we had a choice. Someone bids, you bid higher until they stop. *shrug* That's the way auctions work in real life as well. I've seen an antique table that was valued at $15,000 go for over $100,000 because two people wanted it and were determined to have it.

Besides, what else should we do with our money? Save it up for a non-existant housing market? Right..

Morte

06-04-2001, 04:10 AM

This whole thread has been very enlightening, truth be told.

I play over in Marrach, and that's my first experience with a MU*.
Marrach, is relatively new, being about 7 months old.

Items, aside from basic clothing, and basic foodstuffs are very rare. Compound this, with no monetary system whatso ever, and you have a crazy item based economy. The players do tend to keep things IC, and generally things flow very smoothly.

The best players in Marrach use the very IC favor system to get what they need. If you need a book, kiss upto the Lord Chamberlain, or the Chroniclers. If your an evil guy, and need a cloak that can hide your appearance (Innocent look)... trade a powerful secret to the treacherous crone known as Hetchel. Need to know who sent that threatening scroll that was unsigned? Better be able to convince Retribution (a player with a unique ablity) to Identify the handwriting... Or have someone else, who has more favor with him, to do it for you.

As for the IC/OOC issues, I look at it this way. Nothing a character does, should get to me, as a player. I will never accuse a player of acting OOC unless its blatant, such as mentioning his Mustang Convertible in the middle of the courtyard, while the Knights walk by.

If you find yourself having issues OOC with a players IC actions, take a step back, breathe deep, and remember ... its just a game. Dont get annoyed when you land on park place with a hotel, dont blow a gasket when someone shoots you in quake.. Its just a game.

Annatar

06-04-2001, 06:17 AM

Oh please, being OOC for spending a ton of money on an item at an event? Thats insane, I find it far more OOC that players are able to make more money then a small time patrician IG from killing foot soldiers and selling their armor. These custom item events are done to even out the flow of money in the game, and take some of it out. If people have the money, which some do, they will spend it as they see fit, which includes spending 15 talents on a rocking horse. I certainly hope you don't think the biding war between the two patricians was OOC as well. I see most of the arguement in this post comes from the haves and the have nots. Those without money complain that the event was OOC because people spent an insane amount of money keeping them from buying anything. Those with money see nothing wrong with dropping 14 talents on an item they've been after since almost the game began.

illabrat

06-04-2001, 06:55 AM

If Shalsi had've offered me the dagger to sell in person I would've ignored her or gotten angry at her, any number of things. My chance to respond was taken away by the game mechanics. I don't like that.

Vladmir

06-04-2001, 07:23 AM

Jolee, you might not see what there is to ridicule, but there will always be someone who finds something you regard as OK as offensive or silly, or whatever.

Now, not too many people are going to go to the lengths Shalshi did to try and prove her point.

Your character might not see anything wrong with spending an enourmous amount of money on a hairpin or that pretty chain you bought. My character doesn't see anything wrong with it, but he does regard it as pretty silly. You know Vlad, though. He's whimsical, and he wouldn't be above spending a few talents on some useless trinket if it hit him the right way, but he'd never attempt to defend such an action as being smart. It isn't smart. It's spending his hard earned cash on something less useful than say...a poorly balanced dagger that he could pick up in the alleys. :D

Now, from this I could easily see a character who didn't have my character's easy going attitude about life be somewhat offended by this flagrant waste (which it is! Let's not debate that. Starving refugees in the streets on Monlon and people are paying thirty talents for a bed) and decide to do something like Shalshi did.

Either way NO ONE was being OOC. Whoever called either side OOC was just throwing that around like people always tend to when they don't like something.

Annatar, btw, is right. Auction's like that are probably required to balance out the game economy. That's an OOC concern, however neccesary it is, and if someone chooses to expound on what they're seeing IC at such an event, that's just role-playing, which is what we're supposed to be here for.

Jolee

06-04-2001, 12:12 PM

Ya know, I've had enough. My character has gone to her last freaking auction. Happy? No more ooc. It's ooc to have money and not be a patrician. It's ooc to keep bidding on something you want to make sure you get it. I'll keep my money for..whatever. Might as well. What I have left can rot in the freaking bank. Should a domus ever come up for sale, the patricians will outbid us have nots and have somethings.

Tayron

06-04-2001, 12:21 PM

Dunna, I really don't see whats so OOC about spending massive sums of money on some little trinket that really doesn't have much value. If it means something to the character however, thats all that matters....

The same thing happens in RL, if someones got the money, and they want something bad enough, they'll pay whatever it takes to get it with no regard for anyone else.

Form1

06-04-2001, 01:14 PM

It's OOC. Period.

Why? In a free market economy, such as is present in TEC, prices for goods are affected by supply and demand, of course. The demand of a buyer is evaluated constantly by him by a number of factors, such as his opinion of the worth of the item, the satisfaction he thinks he will get out of it, and so forth. Sometimes, other factors are present: for example, competition in a bidding war may increase prices.

What does this mean? The valuation of items in TEC GM-run auctions are quite, quite clearly affected by OOC notions of rarity. In a strict IC sense, none of the items auctioned yesterday were particularly rare, nor would it be difficult for a local craftsmen to construct one, (the bed being a possible exception), yet they went for the equivilant of hundreds of thousands of dollars US. Obviously, OOC concepts are influencing those bidding.

Of course, this may be unavoidable, and perhaps even desirable - that's entirely another issue.

Dave

Tayron

06-04-2001, 01:49 PM

In the strictest sense, sure its safe to assume that somewhere in the republic someone wold be able to make what people bought for talents at the auction...

But from an IC perspective, the items the people bid on had never been seen before, nor had that particular character ever seen anyone who could craft them.
Now, seeing as that person had never seen someone who could make the item in question, and not knowing when they'd ever get another chance to buy the item...they were all but willing to pay outrageous prices for what they deem to be a one of the kind item.

Livy

06-04-2001, 01:54 PM

Dear God already... shut up.

For everyone who doesn't know what the definition of IC and OOC things are, here goes: IT IS WHATEVER THE GMS WANT IT TO BE.

That means that if they say that everyone in Midlight is telepathic, so be it. If they determine that floppy hats are going to be extraordinarily rare items worth oodles of mine, then right they are. This gameworld and its constrictions are solely determined by the gameMASTERS of TEC, and no player should feel pretentious enough to dictate to the people that make decisions about the game.

Later,
Livy

Loose

06-04-2001, 02:35 PM

I could not quite have put the words together as well as you Livy. I've always wondered why people thought they dictated how the game is ran. But anyways before I start to babble, just wanted to thank Livy on his most excellent post!

nick/loose/milantric/the wierdo that licks gnomes.

Form1

06-04-2001, 02:36 PM

*rolls his eyes at Livy*.

Of course the GMs can decide anything in the game world - that's a given. If I apply your logic to other things, the fact that a GM doesn't stop any particular OOC behavior means that they have condoned it - clearly, that's hogwash. Again, this entire thread has been about character's actions and the possible OOCness thereof - not the GMs badly assigning item value. If the GMs decided that hats in Iridine should be expensive - say, because they were banned by Calsuan - that'd be alright, of course. Hmm, that seems familar...

The GM characters running the auctions have repeatedly expressed suprise over how much items are going for - obviously, they are giving a message that they are being ICly overvalued.

Again, I'm not saying it's a problem. If I was in the same situation, I'd do it too - why? Because, no matter what you do, that's how it's going to work out - trying to regulate it will just distort the market, ala California's energy crisis. Nonetheless, in a strict IC sense, it's not perfect roleplaying, but, offhand, I can't think of a way to fix it that won't be worse than the problem.

I'd also like to note that at no point did anyone suggest any actions that could be taken by the GMs. Noone "dictated" anything at all whatsoever to them, in any sense of the word.

Dave

Brassy

06-04-2001, 03:39 PM

*Brassy bids on a hood in a backroom auction, dons it and sneaks out into the night* (Never mind what she paid for it! oh alright!!! 50 talents,now quit buggin' me I'm busy *winks*)

*A hooded woman with an aura of "Pure Imp" sneaks into everyones inventories whilst they busily post,and steals all their "Bones O' Pickin'"*

*A hooded woman with an aura of "Pure Imp" digs a hole half way to Cinera, drops the bones, then pauses. She surveys the area, then grins as she pulls a hatchet out to add atop the pile. *

*A hooded woman with an aura of "Pure Imp" buries the hole with a shovel, then fades into the night, giggling*

Atama

06-04-2001, 03:46 PM

How much would the original Mona Lisa cost?

What actual GOOD would it do you?

Some worthless things are incredibly valuable, that is human nature. Since value is an artificial concept applied by humans beings, then anything's value will be as fickle and meaningless as humans will be.

I do not play TEC (been thinking about trying if time permits) but I have played in very similar games. And economy can be one of the toughest things to keep realistic in an online game.

The question probably shouldn't be whether it is realistic that these characters spent outrageous prices for mundane items. Obviously these characters are rich. Rich people often have spending habits that make poorer people gag. They can afford to waste money on trivial things because they have "talents to burn".

If this is a poor, war-torn land, where people aren't able to flaunt money like that, then the question should be, why are they this wealthy to begin with?

Obviously, there is some IG way that they were able to hoard lots of money. If it was from countless hours of killing soldiers and selling their equipment, then ask yourself, why is killing soldiers the best way to get money?

Rich people, and rich characters, will be capricious with their money if there is nothing else to buy. That is a fault of the game itself, not the players.

What I would do is scoff at the "fops" and complain about the abuses of the rich. That is fun roleplaying.:D Attacking people OOC isn't fun.

Annatar

06-04-2001, 05:07 PM

Geez I've damn near had it. Some people in this post are being complete idiots. It isn't OOC knock it off. People will pay as much as they want, or is within their means, for any item they friggen please. If thats more then your character can afford to bad. All I'm sensing from the last couple of posts is a few people who feel bad because they couldn't bid on anything. Thats the breaks, take it else where, and knock it off already. Realism has it's place, but your taking it to bloody far.

Ohh and Iridine is hardly a free market economy. We have people living in streets with 100 talents in the bank. If you insist on demanding that everything have an explination, it is this, The denar has become so disvalued that it now costs 4 talents to buy a hat, because in all practicle sense that is what has happened. Now shut it already.

Govan

06-04-2001, 05:14 PM

My point wasn't supposed to be about what was paid for what ;>

It was supposed to be about Shalsi. *sighs*

Vladmir

06-04-2001, 05:16 PM

Not sure who your post was addressed to Annatar, but I'd like to point out that I never said anyone was being OOC. I also agree with you as far as it being perfectly in character to spend oodles of money on useless items.

There isn't, however, anything OOC about pointing out that you find such actions ludicrous the way Shalsi did either. But then, I've said all this before.

Also, use of the phrase 'shut it' has never been effective on me, so if that was being thrown in my direction, you may count on me not doing so. Generally speaking, I'd avoid the use of that phrase entirely on a public forum.

That however, is just how I, the bastion of civilization and refinement, do things.:D

Annatar

06-04-2001, 05:25 PM

My post was addressed at Form1, who's continued insistance that a GAME function identical to RL, to the point where all fun is sucked out of it, has really gotten annoying. Needless to see this is not the only topic this has come up.

GM-Pat

06-04-2001, 08:13 PM

Well...
Let me start by saying that I was not the GM running this event, nor was I at the event. I think I understand what happened from the previous posts, and I'd like to comment. If I have gotten any facts wrong, I apologize ahead of time.

1) Yes, we all know that players pay high prices for items auctioned at event auctions. This is because these goods are typically unique items. Granted, we all know that if Iridine was truly realistic, a character could find an NPC carpenter and ask that carpenter to make him/her a unique rocking horse. However, this is not possible for us to do outside of making a custom item. (Which costs 2000 RPs these days, I think). This means that items auctioned off in a GM auction have a uniqueness that goes beyond what would be so in a literal, realistic Iridine. So, in fact, things like rocking horses are not common items, but are rather, rare or unique. Such things sell for high prices. The economy here isn't perfect, we know. In light of this, I don't think it's OOC to pay a lot of money for something that is rare or unique because of game "realism" limitations. Also, I agree with the people above that wealthy people blow money on trivial things sometimes. I heard a story once that Larry Bird (a pro basketball player at the time) used to spend hundreds of dollars to buy wedding cake when he wanted cake, because he thought that they wouldn't dare to make a bad cake for that amount of money.

2) Players can roleplay dissent at an event without disrupting an event. If Shalsi had rolled her eyes a few times, or made a snide comment or two from the back of the auction house, no one would have a right to say that she was OOC. She would have been roleplaying disgust with restaint and this is fine. Anything more than this and (had I been the GM) I'd have had her arrested for disturbing the peace.
Now, if, In fact, Shalsi abused the game mechanics by taking control of the auction house to auction a thug dagger and preventing the trader from auctioning his goods, I'd personally consider it an excessive disruption and have the player removed. Since it was in the city, I'd have had her arrested, but if one of my events were excessively disrupted in the woods, I would have stuck the offending player in "Nowhere." The alternative would be to just end the event, (have the trader stomp off with unsold goods) which would have only re-inforced the disrupting person's behavior.

Events are special. You really need to find a way to go on them, and roleplay without preventing others from doing so as well. I used to be in a fantasy game where good players and evil players used to go on events together. But, if the evil guy disguised himself, the other players let him tag along even though they (as players) KNEW it was him.

Words to remember, "Ruin not, other people's fun, lest your fun be ruined."

Pat