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  • Backwards Translation!

    So, I'm skimming through the forums, and I come upon this old thread where some crazy guy wrote up a bunch of stuff in Eme. Now, I looked at it, and thought, "Well, hell. Xan could probably read this.. but I can't make anything of it. Don't think anybody's ever made an Eme dictionary... Crap."

    So I got to thinking, and I was wondering if it'd be possible to impliment a sort of backwards translator? Type in the word and language and what-have-you, and if your language skill is high enough, it gives you any possible english words associated with it. Personally, I'd kill a newly or two to get my hands on something like this, and I'm sure anybody in the LPA would agree.

    Eh? Eh?
    Novitiate Xanadorian

  • #2
    The Marrach Dictionary does that for Northern, Eastern, Teanga, and Western. Unfortunately not Eme, but that language is kept so secret and sacred, it's better not to have it. Perhaps if you ask reeeeaaally nicely, Namida will come up with something seperate for Eme.

    *shrug* Never know until you ask!
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    • #3
      Sadly, Namida doesn't know any Eme, far as I'm aware. And I don't s'pose it'd be very appropriate to have a public translator for Eme. S'why I was hoping for something hard-coded into the game.

      <_< Well, more like dreaming, but, eh.


      Edit: Thanks for the link, though!
      Novitiate Xanadorian

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      • #4
        If the posts were by me, you can also contact the author by PM.

        Send me your Eme proficiency, and you might get a response with some partial translations.

        There were some people who worked hard to translate the postings. Poke around IC.

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        • #5
          IG reasons were precisely why there's no Eme dictionary included. The Sorcerers like to keep it secret.

          But if a Sorcerer, with the approval of Lady Serista, wants to make a dictionary for internal use, by all means contact me, and I'll gladly provide the list of words and provide server-space for it as well. (Even try and make it so only those authorized can access it.) Only thing, you'll have to translate all the words yourself

          Pia

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          Assistant to the Royal Venefice Her Ladyship Hieronyma
          Fellow of Lexiography at the Royal Collegium

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          • #6
            A few of the posts made on the boards in Eme had been done by one of my characters. If you point out what post it was I might recall what the words had been. If I don't recall yet it was one of my posts, it says something almost completely idiodic.
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            • #7
              I'm not up to date on the whole Eme thing, but as far as I know, no PCs have Grandmaster Eme. The highest level Eme I've seen on a PC so far is Journeyman, meaning at best, the Eme will translate to "sdkalgf sdakfhbldksajx kdlsfb kjasdbl" even if you did translate it, unless Eme works differently than other languages.

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              • #8
                Journeyman?

                They weren't the Apprentice, obviously.
                > You sneer briefly, "Personality. Oh, yes, you are all as unique as snowflakes, and exactly as interesting. You fall and you melt. No one cares or notices when you are gone."

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                Nallia sees your face horrifiedly.

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                • #9
                  Re: Backwards Translation!

                  Originally posted by Gazer
                  So I got to thinking, and I was wondering if it'd be possible to impliment a sort of backwards translator? Type in the word and language and what-have-you, and if your language skill is high enough, it gives you any possible english words associated with it. Personally, I'd kill a newly or two to get my hands on something like this, and I'm sure anybody in the LPA would agree.
                  I do have something of the sort, but it doesn't exactly have an interface or anything, and translating is trickier work than you might imagine. It tends to require very slow work on the order of hours for a single paragraph, and can't really be worked in an automatic fashion anyway.

                  There is a way to manage the Eme, but that's an IC question.

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                  • #10
                    Well, what I'm talking about is a very OOC thing. o_o IC, the character should be able to understand the written language as well as the spoken language, unless the 'language' skill doesn't cover literacy.. and.. yeah.
                    Novitiate Xanadorian

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Gazer
                      Well, what I'm talking about is a very OOC thing. o_o IC, the character should be able to understand the written language as well as the spoken language, unless the 'language' skill doesn't cover literacy.. and.. yeah.
                      This has been brought up since the languages in Marrach were first invented. I suppose even if scrolls are ever fixed up to be readable by fluent speakers it will not cure translation problems seen on the message boards.

                      Trust me when I say even when you have a dictionary, you have a *long* way to go on translation -- too many words map to the same thing.

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                      • #12
                        I suppose even if scrolls are ever fixed up to be readable by fluent speakers
                        Just some happy news to the returned player.

                        Scrolls now can be written in languages. It works like spoken languages.

                        To write a scroll in a language, speak it and write the scroll the old way (ergo: type: write my scroll "text here")

                        This system doesn't work with sky-writer yet though.

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                        Fellow of Lexiography at the Royal Collegium

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                        • #13
                          Rock /on/. Sekrit sorcery messages in Eme! Yay!


                          And yes, Ditters' player, I understand that it's a pain in the ass to translate something OOCly, even with a dictionary. Was just hoping for a nice, IC-friendly solution for not having an Eme dictionary.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Namida
                            Scrolls now can be written in languages. It works like spoken languages.
                            w00t! You don't know how long I've been waiting for this.

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                            • #15
                              Er.. haven't you always been able to do that?

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