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  • #16
    Sexist? Sure I am. Men are crap and are the cause of all the worlds problems. They are the spawn of the devil and should be smothered at birth. I hate men.

    Racist? No. I couldn't give a flying f*ck what the colour of someones skin is. Why the hell would I?

    Religion..ist..? Maybe a little. I think some of the rules of certain religions, such as Jehovas Witnesses, are not only ridiculous and laughable, but disgusting. But, this is my personal opinion. I wouldn't dream of insulting someone because of my views of it, so surely I can believe what I want?
    ~Isobel~

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Priam View Post
      there's one black NPC, just like you can expect to get one black character - usually "the black guy" - in any Hollywood film or TV series).
      Let's see, well you can't be refering to Ali, or so I assume since people see him as arabic not "black". Even though he's from a fictional land like every other character in the game ...

      We've not see the Royal Wizard so you wouldn't know his skin color ...

      What color was that babe in the chainmail thong?

      There was that black royal guard ...

      the dusky courier ...

      and of course the most obvious being Lady Nadira ...

      Wait, isn't that more than one? It's at least two very powerful NPCs. Royal Wizard and Royal Priestess both having dark skin. And that is off the top of my head. It's well established as being a european setting so from that standpoint it strikes me odd they would be given such power. Especially the priestess.

      Why it would almost make someone think the queen wasn't human ... wait I didn't go there did I?

      EVERYONE HIDE, QUILP IS COMING!

      That's right, everyone expect the strike from Master Quilp. He and the gnomes are going to protest with signs and march around (in a non-nazi way) talking about how diminuative races are protrayed in fantasy settings. Why do all dwarves need to be grumpy? Maybe Quilp would like to be a happy go lucky singing dwarf that doesn't work on swords. the gnomes want to take up basketball.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Isobel View Post
        I agree with your post that some of the comments WERE bordering on racism, and I agree that those posts were rightly censored.
        "Bordering" on racism?

        That thread bordered racism like South Dakota borders the Atlantic Ocean.

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        • #19
          Shut up Lance.
          ~Isobel~

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Ennah View Post
            The entire thread was silly.

            If there really was a problem with racism in the game, contacting staff either through e-mail or @assist would have been the way to go. Bringing it to the forums was certainly not going to solve the issue.
            Hindsight is 20/20.

            Totally reasonable people have been making legitimate suggestions such as, "Hey, this X is a little inappropriate. Maybe we should do something about it?" for years. Just do a search. We have the, "WAA, rape is bad!" people, "WAA, jail is bad," people, "WAA, child porn is bad," people, "WAA, cliques are bad," people... and so on.

            Things like racism never go away when the suggestion is don't make a big deal, don't talk about it. Deal with it silently, behind the scenes.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Lance View Post
              "Bordering" on racism?

              That thread bordered racism like South Dakota borders the Atlantic Ocean.

              Agreed. Harsh, insulting, insensitive maybe...but not racist.

              Hilarious also, but not racist.


              [OOC Page] from StoryPlotter Pohewa: "I'm kinda trying to think here - it's difficult."

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              • #22
                Man. I had to look up on a map to see if South Dakota bordered the Atlantic or not. *blush*
                ~Isobel~

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                • #23
                  ..................


                  What ever your pleasure I'm your punk.

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                  • #24
                    [QUOTE=Priam;783884]The entire game is racist in a typically American way (in a Castle where skin tone does not indicate anything at all, there's one black NPC, just like you can expect to get one black character - usually "the black guy" - in any Hollywood film or TV series). QUOTE]

                    I dont know about NPCs but we have more than a few PCs of color. I know when I played john he has a swarthy color. Far from white.

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                    • #25
                      Its text people, its fantasy people, its A GAME.


                      What ever your pleasure I'm your punk.

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                      • #26
                        [QUOTE=John;783972]
                        Originally posted by Priam View Post
                        The entire game is racist in a typically American way (in a Castle where skin tone does not indicate anything at all, there's one black NPC, just like you can expect to get one black character - usually "the black guy" - in any Hollywood film or TV series). QUOTE]

                        I dont know about NPCs but we have more than a few PCs of color. I know when I played john he has a swarthy color. Far from white.
                        I played Rylie who was Ebony, Osric was black, Sir Petris is also black. many characters have been of color.

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                        • #27
                          Other dark-skinned characters I can remember (VP or not): Faer, Rogra, Elesin. Edouard and Nicolin Ramos also had dusky skin if I recall well.
                          Proud member of: WWMHSBA

                          "Why don't you all just go submit some plots where you can get pregnant, give birth to you own alt as an annoying child character, have it grow up to be a drama queen, and then you can use IC/OOC crossover to hide the goods you stole and escape from the dungeon that you're locked in due to a badly run rape plot?!" - Age

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                          • #28
                            Rikka (and her player, w00t!) is black. Though honestly I don't pay too much attention to race game wise. Though Rikka is big on her complexion. Anyone that knows Rikka knows she thinks she's all that and a bag of chips and a main part of that is because in a land of snow white maidens, she's one of the few that has dark (and in her thoughts of granduar, exotic) skin. There was a male character who I can't remember that thought Rikka was some sort of barbarian because where he came from the darker folk were the ones who were the warriors and were dangerous. I didn't think it was at -all- racist. I mean I didn't go "omg you can't say that cause it's racist and you're going against all dark skinned people blah blah blah". In typical Rikka fashion she said she was too pretty to be a barbarian and that they're too many pale faces around.

                            I don't think that -everyone- is racist. Or at least not intentionally so. I think everyone has their preconceptions of races from what you've seen on tv or heard, especially if you've never interacted with the race you have those notions about. I know I have some preconceptions that are probably not true and I don't mean any malice in those thoughts. There's a difference from being blantantly racist where you think the other race is inferior for this, that or the other and being misinformed about a race you haven't intereacted with.

                            That being said, as a minority (a double minority to boot!), even though a person may not mean to be offensive, someone is always going to take something a different way than what may been intended, someone is always going to be more sensitive than most and some situations can always be taken to home differently than whats intended. An example is that a pretty well known sterotype (probably more known in the south) is that all black people like watermelon, chicken and grits. Now some blacks can be up in arms about this, you make this reference and they'll swear you up and down. Me? Well I do like watermelon, chicken and grits (not all together mind you). So does a lot of people. It's no skin off my nose because those are foods I like to eat.


                            Now the thread with Thain's player I think it was going to far because that wasn't a discussion, it had devolved to personal attacks and snarky jabs that alientated a new player. It -was- disgraceful. People make notes that compared to other forums we're pretty tame. I like that. I'm glad that the mods are watching. I wouldn't dare want to be in a forum where personal attacks happened all the time or their were 15 other posters like Thomas (no offense) who jump on you as soon as you say something they may not agree with. What kind of community would their be if you jumped on someone's back as soon as they said something you don't like or agree with? We CAN have discussions and disagreements of opinion and heated debates. But a lot of time people lose their civility because it -is- the internet and think there shouldn't be any restrictions.

                            Call me a carebear, call me lame, but when we get to a point where the story host has to apologize for everyone else being blatantly insensitive to a sensitive subject such as race and culture, it reflects poorly on the community as a whole. When we have someone whining about whiners, well it gets kind of confusing. I think it's totally understandable that the thread was closed before the insensitive remarks became actual racists remarks.

                            So now I'm done being serious for the night. Flame on!
                            ( っ '๐')づ# I was going to give you this waffle
                            #さ('๐' さ ) But then i was like...
                            (>'#'<) I'm hungry.
                            (。◕‿◕。) So i ate it.
                            (。◡‿◡。)

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                            • #29
                              Consider racism as a sexual relationship. If it's open, honest and done in moderation between consenting parties, it can be very healthy. Certainly much more healthy than suppressed anger/frustration or even worse a taboo on the topic of race in general. It's when it comes to verbal or physical abuse of either party that it gets out of hand.

                              Besides, fiction is always based on stereotypes, simply because people think in stereotypes. Just by defining a character's looks and personality when you create them, you assign them to a specific category that already exists in your mind with which it will be associated until you decide to switch him/her to another.

                              If you find yourself truly offended by a fantasy game, it's probable that you have some other deep seated issues you need to resolve before returning to it, whether it be a crisis of faith, self-esteem or nationalism.
                              Belziel + Sameer

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                              • #30
                                Nods to the above post , quite true.

                                Though consideration and an open ear to someone who does find something offensive , even if you dont agree or cant percieve things in the same light as them , may well be educational for both parties. Shame the Self rightous felt it needful to attack Thain instead of instead of explaining their disagreement , or asking how perhaps he/she would pursue creating a character that would be to him at least more palatable.
                                Ich gehore nicht zur
                                Baader-Meinhof Gruppe.

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