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  • Samael
    started a topic How to Handle Your Alternative Characters

    How to Handle Your Alternative Characters

    In Marrach we permit all accounts to have a minimum of TWO characters. In some cases, people have more, either grandfathered from older accounts or purchased via storypoints. Our alternative character interaction rules are simple.

    1. Do not share items between alts.

    Your characters should never possess items given to them by your alternative character. This means, even if you are retiring, killing, deleting or otherwise ending a character, that your new character or other characters that are yours should never benefit from such. IE: Acquiring items, be it food, jewelry, clothing, etc.

    2. Do not interact with your alternate characters.

    They should not be in the same room if it can be helped. This includes public and private rooms. There are some extenuating circumstances such as Royal Court or Winter Ball which are considered special circumstances due to the magnitude of the event. However, day-to-day activities such as practices, guild meetings, general socializing, minor duels, impromptu parties, orgies, etc, do not fall into the 'special circumstances' category.

    This also includes talking to, writing to, talking up or otherwise pushing your alternative characters with your other character(s).

    Character A should not be expressing about how awesome Character B was at their job and how crappy Character C of another Player is.
    Character B should not be talking about Character A's accomplishments, waking status, dating status, sleeping status etc.

    In the most extreme cases, writing to your alternative character is fine IF and only IF there is absolutely no other route to go. In addition, if a character ASKS Character A about Character B, they can give a neutral answer or direct them elsewhere. If you have a healer alt, and your martial alt sees someone get stabbed, do NOT conveniently log on your character to go heal the stabbed person. If one character asks another about your alt in front of your alt, don't randomly have them appear etc.

    Thank you.

    StoryGuide Samael

  • Odjit
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    This needs a revisit. Thanks.

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  • Samekh
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    In answer to the above, if a fight breaks out there are many injuries etc. and one of your alts is injured and of your alts is a healer the injured alt would have to find another healer to heal them. It is the responsibility of players to find means to not have their alts interact with one another. Again it is not just toward healer alts and martial alts. If you have an alt that is a clothier/jeweler/carpenter/gardener/armorer you find another character to go through that is not your alt for orders etc. If your alt needs to be arrested you let another Winter Watch character handle that piece. Little to no groups just have one active character that can handle things, so avoiding the alt in this manner really should not be that difficult.

    This is also not against anyone precisely, these are just random examples.

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  • Aptaliesin
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    Yeppers I saw the reply, And i saw the original post. My post was inquiring about those unplanned incidents, that will and have often happened. What's preferred, breaking character and informing ooc, or just covering with RP, then assisting about what happened?

    Another example, (from ico but hypothetically could happen here) Crafter makes a sword. Sells sword in tents, doesn't know who too. Then that person makes a gift of it to an alt of the sword creator. No knowledge about where the sword was going is known before hand. (and sometimes after hand). there, you just assist that it happened, they put it in the character file, so if some weenie cries item sharing for alts, they'll have it on file to dismiss he complaint as accidental, and will not retcon the gift RP, in most cases. If its pretty obvious it was planned out in some way, then that would be dealt with.

    I'm not trying to poke holes or aggravate, but I really am curious. Skotos is a small family like community, circles and accidents are bound to happen and often without knowledge. Its the reason i don't play an active alt, because i know somewhere along the way something will happen I had no idea was going on, and would just rather avoid any ooc nonsense. And would rather not some other firestarter use it as ammo to attack someone they don't like oocly.




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  • thera
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    I'll redirect you to the original post:

    2. Do not interact with your alternate characters.

    They should not be in the same room if it can be helped. This includes public and private rooms. There are some extenuating circumstances such as Royal Court or Winter Ball which are considered special circumstances due to the magnitude of the event. However, day-to-day activities such as practices, guild meetings, general socializing, minor duels, impromptu parties, orgies, etc, do not fall into the 'special circumstances' category.

    This also includes talking to, writing to, talking up or otherwise pushing your alternative characters with your other character(s).

    Character A should not be expressing about how awesome Character B was at their job and how crappy Character C of another Player is.
    Character B should not be talking about Character A's accomplishments, waking status, dating status, sleeping status etc.

    In the most extreme cases, writing to your alternative character is fine IF and only IF there is absolutely no other route to go. In addition, if a character ASKS Character A about Character B, they can give a neutral answer or direct them elsewhere. If you have a healer alt, and your martial alt sees someone get stabbed, do NOT conveniently log on your character to go heal the stabbed person. If one character asks another about your alt in front of your alt, don't randomly have them appear etc.

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  • Aptaliesin
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    I dont play a second character, but I had a question:

    Big fight breaks out. A person does have a healer on Already, with a healer bell or something. So the big fight happens, and your main character gets caught up in it somehow, but then everyone that got hurt, (we'll say 4 people for the sake of setting), and they all get dragged to the healer bell.

    The person that plays the healer does the healing for three people. Then they have to choose between

    a.) Not having alt interaction, and telling everyone ooc why they wont heal that last person, thereby breaking immersion of story and being forced to reveal an alt, in an effort to preserve alt interaction restrictions, or

    b.) Healing the the 4th person just as they would any other person and letting everyone still keep everything 100% in character without any eyebrows raising in tuttut fashion.

    Mannny years ago, i knew of some peoples alts, and if there was an open bell, they were allowed to attend with alts for the same training everyone else received too, as long as they didnt interact with each other in conversation that much. No cheating occurred either because everyone got equal treatment at the bell.(or such was the reasoning often enough) Just get the lesson, rp with others, then go and the immersion stayed intact. I know with regime changes rules do too, but I'm curious how things play out now.

    Thanks

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  • thera
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    Because this needs a bump.

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  • thera
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    randomly shuffled upward

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  • thera
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    Originally posted by Samael View Post
    In Marrach we permit all accounts to have a minimum of TWO characters. In some cases, people have more, either grandfathered from older accounts or purchased via storypoints. Our alternative character interaction rules are simple.

    1. Do not share items between alts.

    Your characters should never possess items given to them by your alternative character. This means, even if you are retiring, killing, deleting or otherwise ending a character, that your new character or other characters that are yours should never benefit from such. IE: Acquiring items, be it food, jewelry, clothing, etc.

    2. Do not interact with your alternate characters.

    They should not be in the same room if it can be helped. This includes public and private rooms. There are some extenuating circumstances such as Royal Court or Winter Ball which are considered special circumstances due to the magnitude of the event. However, day-to-day activities such as practices, guild meetings, general socializing, minor duels, impromptu parties, orgies, etc, do not fall into the 'special circumstances' category.

    This also includes talking to, writing to, talking up or otherwise pushing your alternative characters with your other character(s).

    Character A should not be expressing about how awesome Character B was at their job and how crappy Character C of another Player is.
    Character B should not be talking about Character A's accomplishments, waking status, dating status, sleeping status etc.

    In the most extreme cases, writing to your alternative character is fine IF and only IF there is absolutely no other route to go. In addition, if a character ASKS Character A about Character B, they can give a neutral answer or direct them elsewhere. If you have a healer alt, and your martial alt sees someone get stabbed, do NOT conveniently log on your character to go heal the stabbed person. If one character asks another about your alt in front of your alt, don't randomly have them appear etc.

    Thank you.

    StoryGuide Samael
    To add to this:

    Do not share information with Alts. And the Who list is OOC, not IC.

    Cheers.

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  • thera
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    bumpity bumped

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  • Samael
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    When I said 'permission', I meant to formalize the process into an active practice done with anyone who has 5 or more assists or notes about frequenting their alts location, etc.

    All this being said, the 2 rules posted are simple and aren't being rescinded.

    However, I shall make an amendment to this part:

    "If you have a healer alt, and your martial alt sees someone get stabbed, do NOT conveniently log on your character to go heal the stabbed person."


    If you have Character A in Location Z and VP B walks in and clearly has an issue that YOU feel is more suited to Character B?

    Don't magically have Character A suddenly feel the need to vamoose, so your Character B can attend the problem.

    It was discussed in the thread by Gabs, I believe, but this is unfair to anyone else who might be able to handle the situation and as was noted, if no one is around (because your character B was ''busy'' AKA offline and others were too) then it changes the element of RP and leads to more, unexpected results.

    This applies to all types of characters, rather than just Healers. In case it wasn't clear in the initial post.

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  • Enamar
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    A fail troll?

    I think this thread is suffering badly for the lack of emotional context. Somehow, I think we're all having very different conversations based on what we infer from the limited information.

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  • Gabs
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    Making the staff sad? Either you're a fail troll, or you have a very odd way of interpreting what was said, dude. This is something that has been frowned upon since as early as 2001 when I started playing, so it's hardly something new.

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  • Enamar
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    Yeah, I was over-thinking it.

    The thing is that I don't have to like or agree with a rule to follow it. I did what I did because I thought it was okay, but knowing that it makes the staff sad suggests that I shouldn't do it ever again. I thought it was just frowned upon (and maybe it was at the time), but now it appears to be considered cheating. Now I know, I'll have to be sure I don't do it if I come back.

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  • Gabs
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    I'm going to agree with Phee's player here when I say you are over-thinking and over-analyzing this. Go reread Samekh's post; their examples were pretty clear to me.

    Chronicles, by their nature, are public knowledge. Just like the various crafters guidelines are public knowledge, the Great Chain is public knowledge, the Capitulary is public knowledge, and so on. If it's written somewhere in the IC forums or Public TWiki? Public Knowledge.

    If my alt is a chronicler, can my main read a chronicle my alt wrote and use the information she learned from the chronicle? Yes. Can she use information that was not in the chronicle about the incident the chronicle was about if she wasn't present for it but my alt (the chronicler) was? No. That would be crossover since my main automatically would not know all the details the way my alt does, only what is written in said chronicle.

    It would however be acceptable to use that information if she is told about it by someone else's character who was either present themselves when the thing in the chronicle happened, or was told everything by another character who was there and that character then told my main.

    It's f***ing common sense, really.

    ETA:

    As for the whole duckcall/healer whistle thing, the main reason it's frowned upon is basically because staff said multiple times in the past that when a character is not online, they are ICly considered to be sleeping/in meditations/whatever you want to call it but basically they're not reachable.

    Also, it can be seen as a way of powergaming, especially if your character is the one that blew the duckcall or whistle. In the sense that you are pretty much taking control of the scene, and potentially robbing other players of taking part in the scene itself.

    If no Watchman or Guardsman is present when a fight breaks out in the refectory and a duckcall is blown, it can create a fun scene out of conflict and intrigue and what not. Guaranteed RP for the next X amount of minutes or even hours as people try to stop the fight, tend to anyone who might have been wounded, and so on. Logging your Watch/Guard on to answer that duckcall, no matter who blew it, makes it far less interesting because it's probably gonna end if one of more people being dragged to a dungeon cell while other people present are told and expected to not interfere.

    What's more interesting, RP wise? Watching Bob and Joe go at it in the refectory while Duelists Jack and Jill try to pull them apart and then witnesses have to go gather snow and towels afterwards to put on everyone's bruises while Joe and Bob continue throwing insults at each other from afar, and then people having all a nice beer together once everyone has calmed down and Joe and Bob made up? Or Watchman Bill waking up, putting a stop to it all, and leaving Jack, Jill, and everyone else in the refectory to sit and stare at each other?

    Even more dickish of a move if there are other characters online who could have heard the duckcall or whistle, but could not have responded as quickly as your character because they were farther away in the castle, or currently engaged in another scene and had to excuse themselves to tend to their duties. Yes, it happened in the past.

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