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  • SHAzrael
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    Well, it took a while, but demotions are now enabled in the game.

    Demotions work like this...
    1. Grab a demotion petition. It's kinda like a scroll. (You can buy them from the guild administrator NPC)
    2. Address the petition to the person you want to demote.
    3. Write a reason for why you think they should be demoted
    4. Sign the petition. It'll now ask what area you want to demote them in. You can only demote in areas where you have rank (e.g. a Rinaldi calling for a demotion within the Rinaldi military) - if you have no rank in that area, you can still ask for a petition by spending influence points that you got via events or favor.

    ... the petition will now be ready for you to start collecting signatures.
    5. The target of the petition will be paged and be given a petition of their own. They can write on that to put forward their side of the story.
    6. Both "sides" can gather signatures. To get a signature, have other PCs examine or sign the petition. PCs can vote in favor or against the demotion.
    7. After enough time has passed with the losing side failing to get signatures, the petition will end, and the outcome will be paged to the petition starter and target. (So if you're winning, keep getting signatures. Or don't if you think you have enough. If you're losing, make sure you keep getting signatures. The petition won't end while you're actively getting more signatures to catch up, but will end when you stop.)

    Hmm, what else?

    - The person who starts the petition matters. If it's a higher ranking PC in their organization, then it'll be a lot easier to succeed in the petition than, say, they're a low ranking person from a rival group.

    - Signatures are worth different amounts of points. A higher ranking PC from the same career path with the same loyalty would be worth much more than a lower ranking PC. (for example, with a Bisclavret military demotion, a higher ranked Bisclavret military PC who's loyal to the Bisclavret will be worth more than a Rinaldi PC with no Bisclavret rank.)

    - If the demotion is successful, this reflects badly upon the demoted PCs patron. The patron has two options:
    -- They can vote to demote their protege. Their vote will be worth more points, since they're the patron. Additionally, if the petition is successful, their patronage will be removed and they will no longer be the patron.
    -- They can ignore the petition or vote against the demotion. Their points will be counted like usual. If the demotion is successful despite this, the patron may lose influence points, or even be demoted!

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  • SHAzrael
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    Originally posted by shentino View Post
    Is there a way to revoke patronage if your protege displeases you enough, without them having to find a new patron first?
    Not right now. If you need to do this, please file an @assist.

    We do have plans to add this, although there will probably be some sort of cost to both patron and protege.

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  • shentino
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    Is there a way to revoke patronage if your protege displeases you enough, without them having to find a new patron first?

    I've just observed a very good IC reason for this to happen, and I think that leaving a disgraced protege without a patron makes more sense than telling them to find someone else to take over, something the protege may or may not be willing...or able, to do.

    And if there is not a command to do so, I think there should be in the future.

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  • SHAzrael
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    No, Yes, No.

    As mentioned before with more detail:
    Originally posted by SHAzrael View Post
    We haven't announced the demotion system yet, so things might still be a little in flux...

    ... but no. Ending the week with negative favour won't trigger a demotion. In most cases the negative favour will just be zeroed out, so she has 0 Cheesehead favour. The disfavours, therefore, will stop your character from advancing as a Cheesehead. But they won't make her lose what she's already gained.

    Demotions WILL be coming (just like Winter) - however, they will be triggered by in-game events, or by another PC. Most likely, PCs will be able to start a petition to have a PC demoted, and the PC in question will be able to petition to keep their rank. Having a lot of favour will make it harder to get demoted (so if you're loved by the cheeseheads, even if someone starts a petition it would still be difficult for them to get you demoted. And, of course, with lots of favour, you can get promoted again even if demoted.)

    I don't want to go into more detail until the system is finalized.

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  • shentino
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    Is it possible to be *de*moted if your favor gets low enough?

    Or is favor floored at zero even after you get a promotion?

    Come to think of it, can you even have negative favor?

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  • SHAzrael
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    Originally posted by Fina View Post
    Hmmm, can you elaborate this one?

    Let's say that I am the Grand Camemembert of the Cheeseheads. I hold cheese tasting events with some regularity for that reason. Obviously, they would be events of the same "type."

    So, this should mean that I will not get Cheesehead favour for multiple Cheesehead meetings. However, this must reset, yes? Let's say that I hold a weekly Cheesehead meeting and get the favour for it after the first week, then after a while, it becomes possible again to get favour?
    Yep. It currently gets processed & reset every week, along with the favours/disfavours being processed. (although that could change in the future, if players feel a week is too short)

    So if you hold weekly cheese tasting events, each of them would count. Because they are held on different weeks.

    If you hold a cheese tasting event on Monday, and another on Tuesday, then it would count as if you only attended one cheese tasting event.

    If you hold a cheese tasting event on Monday and a tournament on Tuesday, then it would count as if you attended two events, because they are different types of events.

    It's also possible that if you hold a cheese tasting event on Monday, and a wine tasting event on Tuesday, they might count as the same type of event, depending on how staff labelled them. (We might have given them a type of "feast" or "food gathering" or some other internal label that both events share.) - if they were worth different amounts of points, as mentioned, you'd get the higher points total.

    It's worth noting that this doesn't get in the way of earning multiple types of influence. So if you attend both a Rinaldi house meeting that gives Rinaldi favour, and a Doloreaux house meeting that gives Doloreaux favour - they would be tracked separately, and you might get influence points from both in that same week.

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  • Fina
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    Originally posted by SHAzrael View Post
    - Events have a "type" and those types don't stack when giving influence points. That means if you attend two beer meet events, you don't get double the points - you only get the points once. However, since there's a dice roll for the events, and since the host can get bonus points for having lots of guests, it still might be worth attending events multiple times, either to increase your chances of getting the points or to increase the number of posts you might get if you're hosting a second, larger event.
    For example, attending a house meeting and attending a council meeting might both be the same "type" of event. Even if you attended both, you'd only get the points once - but if they gave different amounts of points, you'd get the larger amount.
    Hmmm, can you elaborate this one?

    Let's say that I am the Grand Camemembert of the Cheeseheads. I hold cheese tasting events with some regularity for that reason. Obviously, they would be events of the same "type."

    So, this should mean that I will not get Cheesehead favour for multiple Cheesehead meetings. However, this must reset, yes? Let's say that I hold a weekly Cheesehead meeting and get the favour for it after the first week, then after a while, it becomes possible again to get favour?

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  • SHAzrael
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    Originally posted by Fina View Post
    Also, is the event favor stuff implemented yet? Ie. if you arrange a cheese smelling event, you might get favor with the Cheeseheads apart from Cheesehead players @favoring you directly for it.
    Yes it is. It's also not reliable, like favor from other PCs, in that there's a semi-random dice roll to decide whether to give the influence or not.

    - The influence you get from holding an event will depend on what sort of event.
    (You're unlikely to get Avoirdupois influence from holding or attending a beer meet. You're unlikely to get Bisclavret influence from holding or attending a poetry meet.)

    - It might also be based on the number of attendees. Some events have a larger required number than others. Most only require 2 - 3 attendees (including the host) to give influence.

    - The host might get some bonus influence if there are a lot of guests.

    - There are location and idleness checks (depending on event. For some events a location check doesn't make sense) - these checks influence the semi-random dice roll. If you are at an event and active, it's still OK to leave the room or go idle for periods of time, as multiple checks are made over the course of the event.

    - The group you get influence with can vary based on a number of factors. It might be based on the host's loyalty, on your loyalty, on the type of event. You might even get influence with multiple groups from the one event.

    - Events have a "type" and those types don't stack when giving influence points. That means if you attend two beer meet events, you don't get double the points - you only get the points once. However, since there's a dice roll for the events, and since the host can get bonus points for having lots of guests, it still might be worth attending events multiple times, either to increase your chances of getting the points or to increase the number of posts you might get if you're hosting a second, larger event.
    For example, attending a house meeting and attending a council meeting might both be the same "type" of event. Even if you attended both, you'd only get the points once - but if they gave different amounts of points, you'd get the larger amount.

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  • shentino
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    Hey, don't knock yourself.

    Cheese is truly an art. Even in real life it is renowned enough to have an entire industry around it, some of which is protected in Europe to prevent knockoffs.

    Why shouldn't it be taken just as seriously in Calabria, especially among animal types that are more likely than normal humans to have a craving for animal products?

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  • Fina
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    I wallow in the glory of having introduced the Cheeseheads as the standard example.

    Also, is the event favor stuff implemented yet? Ie. if you arrange a cheese smelling event, you might get favor with the Cheeseheads apart from Cheesehead players @favoring you directly for it.

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  • SHAzrael
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    Originally posted by shentino View Post
    So basically, a target's standing with one group can be affected by standing with another group, but only if the first group's members favor/disfavor the target manually.
    Correct

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  • shentino
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    So basically, a target's standing with one group can be affected by standing with another group, but only if the first group's members favor/disfavor the target manually.

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  • SHAzrael
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    Originally posted by shentino View Post
    Silly question: Is it possible for different groups to be at war or otherwise be considered enemies, and if so, would that cause favor as seen by one group affectable by their standing with another group?
    Not a silly question at all!

    Various groups do have disagreements - although we haven't yet seen outright war.

    Favor with one group shouldn't directly effect favor with another group. But it might depend on the situation.

    So imagine if the Avoirdupois attacked Triskellian, and were arresting all the Rinaldi nobles.... if Bob was a Rinaldi knight and an Avoirdupois Baron, he would still be an Avoirdupois baron, regardless of his Rinaldi rank. Whether he gets arrested or not would depend on how the Avoirdupois are going about their arrests... they might exempt him due to his Avoirdupois rank, they might not. But he wouldn't automatically lose his Avoirdupois rank.

    Originally posted by shentino View Post
    Say the cheeseheads got in a fight with the sailors after their merchants lost a whole ton of swiss cheese at sea, and the cheeseheads want to boycott the sailors. Is it possible, or will it ever be possible, for cheesheads to automatically consider sailor-favored characters dimly?
    The cheeseheads may consider characters with sailor rank (uh... council rank, actually) dimly. That would probably be IC roleplay, but might lead to confrontations that result in them disfavoring each other.

    But if a sailor favors someone, that wouldn't automatically give cheesehead disfavor.

    Originally posted by shentino View Post
    Or if the rinaldi (as recently seems to have happened) assassinated nobles of another house, could the victim house retaliate by putting a shun on the rinaldi and causing anyone frinedly to the rinaldi to have their standing with the victim house penalized?
    The victim house can retaliate by disfavoring the PCs involved. They can't do anything that automatically makes PCs with Rinaldi rank suffer (although that might be possible in the future.)

    In general, favor is always good. It never hurts to have a lot of favor points with any of the groups.

    Favor can lead to being promoted and gaining status - status is usually good, but not always. It's possible to get in situations where it works against you (such as the hypothetical example of Rinaldi nobles being arrested.)

    Another possibility are events and quests. Right now, there's never a disadvantage for attending events, but it's possible that in the future there might be events that give negative favor.

    For example: We might add an event for "keg party" where the PCs drink until they vomit. That event might give Bisclavret and Doloreaux favor, but subtract Avoirdupois and Rinaldi favor.

    Currently no events that subtract favor exist, but for this discussion... yes, it's a possibility for the future.

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  • shentino
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    Silly question: Is it possible for different groups to be at war or otherwise be considered enemies, and if so, would that cause favor as seen by one group affectable by their standing with another group?

    Example:

    Say the cheeseheads got in a fight with the sailors after their merchants lost a whole ton of swiss cheese at sea, and the cheeseheads want to boycott the sailors. Is it possible, or will it ever be possible, for cheesheads to automatically consider sailor-favored characters dimly?

    Or if the rinaldi (as recently seems to have happened) assassinated nobles of another house, could the victim house retaliate by putting a shun on the rinaldi and causing anyone frinedly to the rinaldi to have their standing with the victim house penalized?

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  • Fina
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    Makes perfect sense and was what I thought. Danke schön.

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