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The Great Skotos Split Is Here [UPDATED]

The long-planned Skotos split is here. We are going to be separating Skotos into the four games that we're passing off to individual players (Marrach, TEC, the game formerly known as Ironclaw Online, the game formerly known as Lazarus Sleeping), and in the near future the core Skotos site will shutdown.

Here's how it will work:
* On Monday, we will turn off the ability to make any purchases through the main site. This will be the end of credit card purchases for Skotos games.
* We will run final automated credit card purchases on Tuesday morning. This is typical, in that our regular subscriptions are always set to run on the 1st through the 28th.
* On Wednesday, we will begin converting the games over to the new auth server that I've been working on for the last month and a half. All data will be converted over from the moment I grab the database. This means that all of your account information, including all payments (but not including any credit card information or Paypal information) will be duped to all the games: you'll be able to play any of them for the time you'd previously paid at the main Skotos site.
* We'll then start integrating the individual sites for each game with the new stand-alone setup.
* And likely I'll be resolving bugs in the auth server that only turn up through extensive usage.
* Meanwhile, we'll start handing off games to the individuals who will be running it in the future. I'm at this point over the time I'd initially committed to Skotos by a bit more than three weeks, but I'm expecting I'll need to offer support a little into May to make sure everyone is running well and that I've helped Christopher, Skotos, and the game leads deal with any intricacies of the hand-off.
* We'll request that all games remove all information from users who didn't stick with their game within a year.

I hope this will go as smoothly as possible. There will surely be bumps in the road. In particular, expect some random downtimes on Wednesday, when I convert over the games to the new servers, and expect the potential for problems on *next* Thursday, when I see how things work in the new setup.

A Few Updates as of 5/3:

1.) Castle Marrach, TEC, and Allegory of Empires are now split out from the main Skotos UserDB, which is the first (and biggest) step in separating these games. Multiversal Revelations will follow on Monday.

2.) Each site has a new login page of the form login.itsdomainname. This is the proper place to login to that game, and where you should access all UserDB functionality. Anything you do on the main Skotos users pages will no longer be reflected. Yes, that means you should be using the new pages to update your accounts, purchase months of play, and purchase subscriptions. Credit card payments are no longer possible, but Paypal is.

3.) Skotos is still running the games as of this moment, but they'll be transferred to the individual teams by this time next month.

4.) We've had some problems with credit cards continuing to run on the older UserDB system. We've refunded any bills that went through on the main system following the split, and apologize for the inconvenience. The plan is to turn the old UserDB off tomorrow, so that will absolutely stop the bills at this point. If you were accidentally billed, do note both that the amount was refunded the same day AND it isn't reflected on the new systems. [And as of Monday morning, those old charges seem to have been halted entirely.]

5.) We've discovered that about 20 accounts have credits of various amounts of them. This is a concept that is no longer supported in any meaningful way on the new UserDB, so we'll convert those credits to days of play at the most generous ratio.
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Grendel's Revenge Free Accounts

On December 15th of 2012, Grendel's Revenge enabled free accounts for play. This announcement is following in the suit of TEC's own free account announcement, serving as a reminder to any new or returning players that are browsing the forums.

For all the details about what free accounts are, look no further than here:

In order to log into GR for free, simply visit this page to sign into your Skotos account (ignoring any subscription notices it may give):

Then click the following link for Zealotry/Firefox:

Or this link for Alice/Internet Explorer:

Problems? Questions? You can email the GR staff group at
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  • Fix the lag

    I think the subject is pretty self explainatory. The lag keeps getting worse and worse. When it takes, literally, over a minute for one command to go through something needs to be done, and no, not a damn server reset.

  • #2
    I second that...When I can retreat and be ready to attack someone and an attack comes through on me from over a minute ago...its kinda lame...
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    • #3
      Re: Fix the lag

      Originally posted by Malice
      I think the subject is pretty self explainatory. The lag keeps getting worse and worse. When it takes, literally, over a minute for one command to go through something needs to be done, and no, not a damn server reset.
      It's not getting worse and worse. It's been significantly and noticeably better since the work we did a week or so ago. Aside from the lag during backups, there's been virtually no lag today on the server/game side. I pointed that out to a couple of people who were having trouble with their connectivity this afternoon. That may have been what you were experiencing as well. If you're not sure, do a traceroute to and see if there are any slow spots.


      • #4
        Okay, I had originally posted something rather nice, but I just got in a fight with some uglies, and the results are fluxuating wildly. One moment there can be little to no lag, and the next, there'll be a pause of 10, 20, even 30 seconds before an action goes through. It's better than it was, but it's not as good as it oughta be.

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        • #5
          Yeah the lags gottin MUCH better in the last week or so...but in the last couple of days,its gotten unbearable...just flying takes forever to move one friggin square..and its not me,my whole grumbles seein it...ive never seen lag hits this bad befor too...
          I went into a den,and a grunt shrieked..i chanted a musty and went home...i went out and started hunting around my den and about 3 minutes after i pissed off the grunt,i got attacked...from the middle of nowhere comes the red [Success: 934, Roll: 159] BLAH BLAH....startled the hell out of me..
          You can't stand my Gouf.


          • #6
            The last few days have been horrible for me. Right now, I'm getting a consistant 8 to 10 seconds of lag. I'm posting this from the middle of something I've ran the tracer, looks perfectly normal to me. I've seen my connection alot slower than this and haven't gotten any lag. You figure it out.


            • #7
              There has been lag all day long. Before and after the backups. It's not just me, everyone I've talked to in my characters clan has had problems all day. It's been happening since early in the weekend, and even the server reset didn't clear it up completely.


              • #8
                That alone, Malice, would indicate that it's most likely an outside issue... my tracert from work was fine... now from home... on this *grits his teeth* Dial-up... its as poor as can be expected..
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                • #9
                  Sorry but blaming everything but yourselves is not acceptable. I can get on other games with other companies (read all graphical even) and expierience no lag and come to this game which is basically all text and run into lag. If there is a connectivity problem you need to find out why no one else seems to be having the problem and do what they are doing.
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                  • #10
                    well i have been getting you can't preform more then one action litterly 2 minutes after i acted and then you are in the middle of something for 2 minutes more that is just rediculous
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                    • #11
                      Brute the Ogre yells, "FOR THE HORDE!!!"
                      Sludge the Hobgoblin tries to slice Brute the Ogre with its hatchet, but misses.
                      You raise an eyebrow.
                      You move toward Sludge the Hobgoblin.
                      You stop next to it.
                      Brute the Ogre waits for his attack to go through. []
                      Brute the Ogre sighs.
                      claw sludge
                      Sludge the Hobgoblin grins.
                      Brute the Ogre snarls to Sludge the Hobgoblin, "Heh... you lost already. "
                      Brute the Ogre snarls and loudly beats his chest, the battlelust showing bloodshot through his eyes.
                      Brute the Ogre cracks his neck and knuckles POWERFULLY, creating a loud POPPING noise.
                      You nod to Brute the Ogre.
                      Brute the Ogre krushes Sludge the Hobgoblin with his iron fist! 277 points of damage!
                      Brute the Ogre snarls, "Yay!"
                      Sludge the Hobgoblin begins to chant some words in a strange language.
                      The scroll burns into ash and floats away.
                      Sludge the Hobgoblin grins.
                      Brute the Ogre sighs at Sludge the Hobgoblin.
                      Brute the Ogre snarls to Sludge the Hobgoblin, "When my attack goes through, you'll die []"
                      Brute the Ogre snickers.
                      Sludge the Hobgoblin begins to blur and become insubstantial.
                      You grunt to Brute the Ogre, "[Or mine.]"
                      Brute the Ogre snarls to you, "Did you attack as well?"
                      Sludge the Hobgoblin fades away into nothingness.
                      Brute the Ogre grins at you.
                      You nod to Brute the Ogre.
                      Brute the Ogre looks at you.
                      You begin to examine an iron keep closely.
                      Brute the Ogre snarls to you, "This is gonna be funny when he dies out in the middle of the Shrine or something []"
                      You grin at Brute the Ogre.
                      [Success: 950, Roll: 250] Sludge the Hobgoblin tries to slice you with its hatchet, but misses.
                      Brute the Ogre snarls to you, "Hrm... want a nicer scarf then yers? :P"
                      You shake your head.
                      Brute the Ogre taps a red silk scarf.
                      Brute the Ogre taps a white silk scarf.
                      You grunt, "It was nice when I got it.. I'll live with the way it changed "
                      Brute the Ogre shrugs.
                      You finish examining an iron keep.
                      Brute the Ogre grins at you.
                      You search the avatar seat, but fail to discover when a new avatar will be chosen.
                      Brute the Ogre snarls, "43 minutes? []"
                      [Success: 50, Roll: 403] You slash at Sludge the Hobgoblin with your strong claws. 190 points of damage! Sludge the Hobgoblin roars a final time before dying.
                      You mutter to yourself.
                      You cackle.
                      Brute the Ogre laughs!

                      I filtered out my input of commands, except for the initial claw, and then bolded the inital claw, and the result of when it went through, it was roughly 7 minutes later.
                      I heart potatoes!
                      Vazhar the Phoenix growls, "I hate the whored...."
                      Originally posted by Lurker
                      [geez, cant even frame anyone without running into someone's alt. sigh ]
                      Originally posted by Panzer
                      I swear to god there should be a specific forum just for whining. Play nice friends.


                      • #12
                        I'm not in-game at the moment so don't know about lag, but I did a tracert anyway. Looked fine for me, but then I haven't done a tracert in a long time. A couple questions:
                        Just what is slow? What speed is so slow that it warrants attention?
                        And secondly, where do we send tracerts that do show slow spots?

                        Regarding where lag would be coming from... I would think that connectivity issues would prevent any command from going through. I would think that the player's personal computer doing something is what keeps entered text from appearing in the text box (until the player's comp catches up). And I would think that server-side delays would cause some commands (like speech) to go through when others do not.


                        • #13
                          I'll tell ya one thing. I am playing GR at my workplace and at my home. At my home, I am playing it via a 166 Mhz, and quiet often it takes a LONG time to walk some basic 3 rooms, i am very slow. Even though I have dsl. Yet at my work place, where my computer is fairly fast, my walking speed in GR is much much faster. Although battle/movements commands still hang for some weird reasons.
                          I must not lag. Lag is the game-killer. Lag is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my lag. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the lag has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

                          <Toasty the Gryphon grumbles: [ I had a visual of Lurekus as, like .. a mummified Mr. Clean.. ]>


                          • #14
                            "There never was a ladder.

                            We're working on it.

                            The game isn't lagging."

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                            What do you think? Make a nice t-shirt? I'd buy one.


                            • #15

                              I'm sure they're addressing the situation. But they're in the middle of something.

                              Fix lag.
                              You are in the middle of something.
                              Fix lag.
                              You are in the middle of something.
                              Fix the lag.
                              You are in the middle of something.
                              Fix LAG
                              You are in the middle of something.
                              You growl.
                              Nothing in Uthgol makes sense.

                              <You grumble: Be annoying. It's a wanderer's finest trait.>