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The Great Skotos Split Is Here [UPDATED]

The long-planned Skotos split is here. We are going to be separating Skotos into the four games that we're passing off to individual players (Marrach, TEC, the game formerly known as Ironclaw Online, the game formerly known as Lazarus Sleeping), and in the near future the core Skotos site will shutdown.

Here's how it will work:
* On Monday, we will turn off the ability to make any purchases through the main site. This will be the end of credit card purchases for Skotos games.
* We will run final automated credit card purchases on Tuesday morning. This is typical, in that our regular subscriptions are always set to run on the 1st through the 28th.
* On Wednesday, we will begin converting the games over to the new auth server that I've been working on for the last month and a half. All data will be converted over from the moment I grab the database. This means that all of your account information, including all payments (but not including any credit card information or Paypal information) will be duped to all the games: you'll be able to play any of them for the time you'd previously paid at the main Skotos site.
* We'll then start integrating the individual sites for each game with the new stand-alone setup.
* And likely I'll be resolving bugs in the auth server that only turn up through extensive usage.
* Meanwhile, we'll start handing off games to the individuals who will be running it in the future. I'm at this point over the time I'd initially committed to Skotos by a bit more than three weeks, but I'm expecting I'll need to offer support a little into May to make sure everyone is running well and that I've helped Christopher, Skotos, and the game leads deal with any intricacies of the hand-off.
* We'll request that all games remove all information from users who didn't stick with their game within a year.

I hope this will go as smoothly as possible. There will surely be bumps in the road. In particular, expect some random downtimes on Wednesday, when I convert over the games to the new servers, and expect the potential for problems on *next* Thursday, when I see how things work in the new setup.

A Few Updates as of 5/3:

1.) Castle Marrach, TEC, and Allegory of Empires are now split out from the main Skotos UserDB, which is the first (and biggest) step in separating these games. Multiversal Revelations will follow on Monday.

2.) Each site has a new login page of the form login.itsdomainname. This is the proper place to login to that game, and where you should access all UserDB functionality. Anything you do on the main Skotos users pages will no longer be reflected. Yes, that means you should be using the new pages to update your accounts, purchase months of play, and purchase subscriptions. Credit card payments are no longer possible, but Paypal is.

3.) Skotos is still running the games as of this moment, but they'll be transferred to the individual teams by this time next month.

4.) We've had some problems with credit cards continuing to run on the older UserDB system. We've refunded any bills that went through on the main system following the split, and apologize for the inconvenience. The plan is to turn the old UserDB off tomorrow, so that will absolutely stop the bills at this point. If you were accidentally billed, do note both that the amount was refunded the same day AND it isn't reflected on the new systems. [And as of Monday morning, those old charges seem to have been halted entirely.]

5.) We've discovered that about 20 accounts have credits of various amounts of them. This is a concept that is no longer supported in any meaningful way on the new UserDB, so we'll convert those credits to days of play at the most generous ratio.
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Grendel's Revenge Free Accounts

On December 15th of 2012, Grendel's Revenge enabled free accounts for play. This announcement is following in the suit of TEC's own free account announcement, serving as a reminder to any new or returning players that are browsing the forums.

For all the details about what free accounts are, look no further than here: http://forum.skotos.net/showthread.php?t=95655

In order to log into GR for free, simply visit this page to sign into your Skotos account (ignoring any subscription notices it may give): https://www.skotos.net/user/login.php

Then click the following link for Zealotry/Firefox: zealotry:@GrendelsRevenge.skotos.net...login/Zealotry

Or this link for Alice/Internet Explorer: http://grendelsrevenge.skotos.net/mo...in/alice.shtml

Problems? Questions? You can email the GR staff group at grendel.staff@gmail.com
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  • Advertising for Grendel's Revenge

    Yes, that's right. Advertising for Grendel's Revenge. You know, those banners that show up on websites and make people come play our game? Those. I'm going to pay for a few adds for GR. I'm in the process of making a Project Wonderful (Google it) account and setting up the adverts now.

    I've got $90 which can buy me a few weeks or maybe a month of advertising, depending on the site or how many I pick. Which is cool, I really only wanted to go for a week right now. I did some searching and this is allowed. Apparently, Skotos believes in letting the customers advertise. This may sound kind of odd, but it's been proven effective in the past.

    So, right now, I'm looking to advertise at http://theslackerz.com/, it's a web comic I'm pretty fond of, and I can advertise for a good while at about 2 dollars a day, as long as I keep the winning bid. I'd like to see if anyone else had some good suggestions for websites we can advertise on?

    Also, more importantly, which ad?? http://skotos.net/media.com ! Help me pick one. I'm looking at the 468x60. The 1st and 3rd GR ad looks the best for me so far. Thoughts, opinions?

    Also, if anyone would like to help me keep the ads up longer or on more websites by helping me pay for it, PM me
    -Usuichii, Great Scientist.

    Smarmy the Titan bellows to you, "You look almost like an Ugly."

    Blackhand the Orc grumbles: I don't know what to call you. No ugly is that vile, and no proper creature of Uthgol has ever had such a lack of honor!

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    Sounds like a plan. I've already been doing some minimal advertising of my own, but it's not much, and I'm not exactly a popular fellow.

    All I've done is post in whatever forums I visit (usually indirectly, since most forums have rules against ad-spam), put a link on my myspace, and mention it on my Facebook. But hey, it's better than nothing, and I'm sure it's grabbed some people.

    I urge everybody here who DOES have MySpace or Facebook, or any other social networking site, to follow suit and post a small piece about GR on there to help spread the word.

    Every little bit helps.


    Also: If anybody wants to try affording advertising on, say, Penny Arcade, Ctrl+Alt+Del, xkcd, VGCats, Dueling Analogs, LFG Comic, 8-bit theatre, or F@NB0Y$, feel free to try! I know I plan to set a little bit aside myself to work towards such a goal. Those are not only very well-known webcomics, but they're all active (except VGCats, it's largely dead imo), and a large portion of their audience is comprised of gamers. So, let's shoot for the moon.
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    • #3
      Webcomics are a very good way to do it - try The Adventures of Dr. McNinja. I think it's $3.20 a day (yep, the site says it).

      It's a simple layout and the button would get noticed.

      EDIT: http://www.projectwonderful.com/adve...?id=178&type=2

      Perhaps not enough button space, but 60,000+ unique views per day.
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      • #4
        Bah, http://www.skotos.net/media/ is the media link. The other one wasn't working. Click on the size I mentioned above. Please help me pick one.
        -Usuichii, Great Scientist.

        Smarmy the Titan bellows to you, "You look almost like an Ugly."

        Blackhand the Orc grumbles: I don't know what to call you. No ugly is that vile, and no proper creature of Uthgol has ever had such a lack of honor!

        Usuichii 1, Usuichii 2

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        • #5
          If any of you somewhat artistically talented artists out there, or even those of you who have some mild skill using Photoshop, feel free to try designing your own ad. Whatever would catch the eye of a potential MUDder!
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          • #6
            I've already got two ads picked out that I'm going to use.

            This: http://www.skotos.net/media/468x60/GR468x60-03a.jpg

            And this: http://www.skotos.net/media/custom/Grendel125x600b.jpg


            I've got three websites picked out with some great help from Amdrea and Kitiy.

            I'll be advertising on Theslackers.com: $1.00-$3.00 a day. 9k visits a day minimum, 21k visits max (so far).

            Crowfeathers.net: $1.30-$3.30 a day. A staggering 20k to 55k visits a day and a REALLY good spot on their website.

            Pclips.com: $1.00-$1.30 a day. 7k-15k visits a day.

            All together, it's about 3-7 dollars a day and we can get some serious hosting done for a few weeks. I'm looking at a 4th website too.
            -Usuichii, Great Scientist.

            Smarmy the Titan bellows to you, "You look almost like an Ugly."

            Blackhand the Orc grumbles: I don't know what to call you. No ugly is that vile, and no proper creature of Uthgol has ever had such a lack of honor!

            Usuichii 1, Usuichii 2

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            • #7
              Well, I already know which one Kitiy suggested. Crowfeathers is a good spot to advertise, as it's a pretty decent webcomic. O.o

              I was only thinking about where gamers would gather. PVPOnline.com is another good place to advertise, but it appears that their price is $11+. ><

              You could advertise on F@NB0Y$ for $6.90 using a skycraper type ad. They get an average of 87k viewers a day. That more than doubles how many people those three you've chosen will already have. There's also a good skyscraper ad spot on Drowtales, but the minimum bid is $10. Depends on whether or not that's worth the 60k people they get on average.
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              • #8
                My budget is only $90 and I'd like to do this the smart way.


                $3 = 1 day of 20k-50k people. $9 of the same amount is 3 days and a total of 60,000-150,000 people.

                $7 (rounding up) of 60k people is $21 dollars for three days and only 180,000.

                That's a gain of 30,000 for spending more than twice the amount. Gotta think smart!!
                -Usuichii, Great Scientist.

                Smarmy the Titan bellows to you, "You look almost like an Ugly."

                Blackhand the Orc grumbles: I don't know what to call you. No ugly is that vile, and no proper creature of Uthgol has ever had such a lack of honor!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Usuichii View Post
                  My budget is only $90 and I'd like to do this the smart way.


                  $3 = 1 day of 20k-50k people. $9 of the same amount is 3 days and a total of 60,000-150,000 people.

                  $7 (rounding up) of 60k people is $21 dollars for three days and only 180,000.

                  That's a gain of 30,000 for spending more than twice the amount. Gotta think smart!!
                  Assuming you're not just getting the same 20k-50k people each day. You can't guarantee those 180k or those 60k-150k people being all different people. That's something a "smart" person would take into account, I hope you realize. Most webcomics get the same people each day.

                  Not to mention, since you're ignoring part of your numbers: that's a gain of 60k-120k people. This is why I stick with the "average" instead of looking at highs and lows.

                  You also miscalculated. The Fanboys site gets 87k not 60k. Multiple that by three and you get 261k. The 60k people was from Drowtales.
                  So in that cause, it's a gain of 110k-200k.
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                  • #10
                    I've decided on all the websites, now just waiting for my money to come in.

                    Here's the expected results:

                    $5.30 with 85,000 page views a day (combined with the others)

                    I can keep that up for about 16 days (over two weeks)

                    16 days with 85,000 page views a day equals 1,360,000 total views.

                    If even only 10% of those viewers click our ad (According to all the information, about 60%-80% of people who visit a site click the ads, only enough. So I'm far undershooting that.), that's 136,000 people visiting Grendel's Revenge. Now, if only 1% of that actually try the game, that's 1,360 people over 16 days.


                    How cool is that.




                    I'm not good at math, but I hope the above is right.
                    -Usuichii, Great Scientist.

                    Smarmy the Titan bellows to you, "You look almost like an Ugly."

                    Blackhand the Orc grumbles: I don't know what to call you. No ugly is that vile, and no proper creature of Uthgol has ever had such a lack of honor!

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                    • #11
                      GR hasn't had a whole screen full of people on since Beta or shortly after going "gold" I think... lol, so it would be interesting to see what kind of server tolerance we have if say, we even had 1360/16 = 85 extra people online in one day.
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                      Danasei says to you, "What is this reference to a flower other than daisies!? I DO NOT LIKE IT."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by masterz View Post
                        GR hasn't had a whole screen full of people on since Beta or shortly after going "gold" I think... lol, so it would be interesting to see what kind of server tolerance we have if say, we even had 1360/16 = 85 extra people online in one day.
                        We already have to worry about a full-sized spawn from a single person causing server lag. A few days ago I got a double-spawn, each one with six people, and I lagged so much that enough uglies rolled over 950 to kill me by the time the lag went away.

                        I don't think we can handle that many people. ><
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                        • #13
                          And you assume that was server lag?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Vorico View Post
                            And you assume that was server lag?
                            I do when other people in my grumble were also experiencing that lag.
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                            • #15
                              There are several kinds of lag. There's server lag, internet lag, and client lag. The most common lag appears to be client lag, followed by internet lag, and then server lag.

                              We don't have to worry. The game will handle it. I'm more worried about updating the front page before advertising than I am about lag.
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                              Smarmy the Titan bellows to you, "You look almost like an Ugly."

                              Blackhand the Orc grumbles: I don't know what to call you. No ugly is that vile, and no proper creature of Uthgol has ever had such a lack of honor!

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