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The Great Skotos Split Is Here [UPDATED]

The long-planned Skotos split is here. We are going to be separating Skotos into the four games that we're passing off to individual players (Marrach, TEC, the game formerly known as Ironclaw Online, the game formerly known as Lazarus Sleeping), and in the near future the core Skotos site will shutdown.

Here's how it will work:
* On Monday, we will turn off the ability to make any purchases through the main site. This will be the end of credit card purchases for Skotos games.
* We will run final automated credit card purchases on Tuesday morning. This is typical, in that our regular subscriptions are always set to run on the 1st through the 28th.
* On Wednesday, we will begin converting the games over to the new auth server that I've been working on for the last month and a half. All data will be converted over from the moment I grab the database. This means that all of your account information, including all payments (but not including any credit card information or Paypal information) will be duped to all the games: you'll be able to play any of them for the time you'd previously paid at the main Skotos site.
* We'll then start integrating the individual sites for each game with the new stand-alone setup.
* And likely I'll be resolving bugs in the auth server that only turn up through extensive usage.
* Meanwhile, we'll start handing off games to the individuals who will be running it in the future. I'm at this point over the time I'd initially committed to Skotos by a bit more than three weeks, but I'm expecting I'll need to offer support a little into May to make sure everyone is running well and that I've helped Christopher, Skotos, and the game leads deal with any intricacies of the hand-off.
* We'll request that all games remove all information from users who didn't stick with their game within a year.

I hope this will go as smoothly as possible. There will surely be bumps in the road. In particular, expect some random downtimes on Wednesday, when I convert over the games to the new servers, and expect the potential for problems on *next* Thursday, when I see how things work in the new setup.

A Few Updates as of 5/3:

1.) Castle Marrach, TEC, and Allegory of Empires are now split out from the main Skotos UserDB, which is the first (and biggest) step in separating these games. Multiversal Revelations will follow on Monday.

2.) Each site has a new login page of the form login.itsdomainname. This is the proper place to login to that game, and where you should access all UserDB functionality. Anything you do on the main Skotos users pages will no longer be reflected. Yes, that means you should be using the new pages to update your accounts, purchase months of play, and purchase subscriptions. Credit card payments are no longer possible, but Paypal is.

3.) Skotos is still running the games as of this moment, but they'll be transferred to the individual teams by this time next month.

4.) We've had some problems with credit cards continuing to run on the older UserDB system. We've refunded any bills that went through on the main system following the split, and apologize for the inconvenience. The plan is to turn the old UserDB off tomorrow, so that will absolutely stop the bills at this point. If you were accidentally billed, do note both that the amount was refunded the same day AND it isn't reflected on the new systems. [And as of Monday morning, those old charges seem to have been halted entirely.]

5.) We've discovered that about 20 accounts have credits of various amounts of them. This is a concept that is no longer supported in any meaningful way on the new UserDB, so we'll convert those credits to days of play at the most generous ratio.
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  • Changes to hunting lore?

    Curious but shouldn't hunting lore be allowed to use weapon skill points, since it's skillset kinda revolves around hunting animals?

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    I vote Yes.
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    • #3
      You can use outdoors sp to learn hunting lore moves.

      And you can use hunting lore without ever knowing a weapon. So, I don't know if that entirely makes sense. (I mean, either way, I guess. Being able to use weapon sps to learn it, or not needing to know a weapon to actually use almost all the skills.)
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      • #4
        If you want to hunt using boar/any of the lores, though, you need a weapon.

        I guess you might be able to punch a boar to death.

        Dat picky realism.

        I'd be for this change.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by OldVeteran View Post
          Curious but shouldn't hunting lore be allowed to use weapon skill points, since it's skillset kinda revolves around hunting animals?
          no, it's skillset is about trapping animals, and crafting weapons. there are a few skills within the set that make it easier for you to kill some animals, but you can max those out, and kill them with novice levels in your weapon of choice.

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          • #6
            I've actually seen a guy kill a wild pig with his bare hands.

            So "Realism" is not part of the argument.

            Hunting Lore is like... 300 total ranks to be nearly flawless. You really don't need to be able to use weapon SP for it.

            Originally posted by VinianQuartz
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            • #7
              This idea doesn't seem to have much merit for me.

              ArchMagi's point is part of the reason why. Armataan's point about how inequal the SP contribution would be is another.
              Originally posted by Mast3rmind
              Celtor and Vladmir combined are like the Legion of Doom. Or maybe the wondertwins, although I'd be worried if Celtor was as furry as Vladmir. *nods sagely*
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              • #8
                ArchMagi's commentary is totally valid, yes.

                Rank 1 basics, rank 0 in any subs, using 'attack' with a spear with 20 ranks in boar lore will have a 5 to hit and will 1-shot kill every time.

                Originally posted by VinianQuartz
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                • #9
                  Then apparently I should get a spear, Arma.
                  Originally posted by Mast3rmind
                  Celtor and Vladmir combined are like the Legion of Doom. Or maybe the wondertwins, although I'd be worried if Celtor was as furry as Vladmir. *nods sagely*
                  Xianna exclaims to you, "And even when unconscious you still attract beautiful women, you lecher!"
                  Ravenlark pats you.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Armataan View Post
                    Rank 1 basics, rank 0 in any subs, using 'attack' with a spear with 20 ranks in boar lore will have a 5 to hit and will 1-shot kill every time.
                    I have to call BS on that, as a grandmaster of hunting and spears. Just ain't accurate.

                    As to the original question, I have found it's far easier to get hunting lore SP than weapon SP. Just throw out a dozen traps, stay tuned, and skin what wanders in. Time consuming grind, yes it is, still takes less work. What you're suggesting is a step short of making all SP into GSP. Everything would be interchangeable, just like weapon SP can be used to train dodges. Would make SP simpler to govern, surely it would: train hunting to get better at sewing; train healing to become a better dodger. Other games have used that type of system, but that isn't TEC, for me.

                    I like the idea in general, of simplification, but I can think of other things I'd want the GM's coding with their time. Maybe later I could support.
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                    • #11
                      His spear line was likely sarcasm. He does that.
                      Originally posted by Mast3rmind
                      Celtor and Vladmir combined are like the Legion of Doom. Or maybe the wondertwins, although I'd be worried if Celtor was as furry as Vladmir. *nods sagely*
                      Xianna exclaims to you, "And even when unconscious you still attract beautiful women, you lecher!"
                      Ravenlark pats you.
                      Ravenlark says to you, "I promise not to abuse you in your sleep. Much."

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                      • #12
                        It wasn't sarcasm (though yes, I am sarcastic.)

                        The Before I unlearned hunting lore, I could one-shot boars all day long. After, it takes 20+ shots. And at rank 1 basics with no subs, I had 5s to hit.

                        It is possible it has changed since then, but I seriously doubt it. I was 50 basics, 20 boar lore.

                        Originally posted by VinianQuartz
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Armataan View Post
                          It wasn't sarcasm (though yes, I am sarcastic.)

                          The Before I unlearned hunting lore, I could one-shot boars all day long. After, it takes 20+ shots. And at rank 1 basics with no subs, I had 5s to hit.

                          It is possible it has changed since then, but I seriously doubt it. I was 50 basics, 20 boar lore.
                          I've seen boars fall to spears very quickly, but I don't recall ever seeing a one-shot on a boar. You sure as hell don't get them with clubs, staves or bows, even with higher levels of both weapon basics and boar lore.

                          So either it's been changed or spears get a significant bonus to killing a boar or there's some other odd math involved.
                          Originally posted by Mast3rmind
                          Celtor and Vladmir combined are like the Legion of Doom. Or maybe the wondertwins, although I'd be worried if Celtor was as furry as Vladmir. *nods sagely*
                          Xianna exclaims to you, "And even when unconscious you still attract beautiful women, you lecher!"
                          Ravenlark pats you.
                          Ravenlark says to you, "I promise not to abuse you in your sleep. Much."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Vladmir View Post
                            So either it's been changed or spears get a significant bonus to killing a boar or there's some other odd math involved.
                            Or Armataan is exaggerating and wrong, which certainly never ever happens ever.

                            This is a silly idea. If we're making this change we may as well let weapon SP be used for Setups because half of the skillset can be used in combat situations.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Rythgen View Post
                              Or Armataan is exaggerating and wrong, which certainly never ever happens ever.

                              This is a silly idea. If we're making this change we may as well let weapon SP be used for Setups because half of the skillset can be used in combat situations.
                              I can bandage myself when im in combat, so might as well let me spend my combat SP on healing too
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                              Character wakes up with 2hp and 2 fatigue, mangled face.
                              Skotos didn't care.

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                              Originally posted by Tale
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