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ZEALOTRY Users: Critical Notice on Continued Use

Edit: Our new HTML5 client (Orchil) is now open for beta testing in The Eternal City and Grendel's Revenge. Feel free to try give it a whirl at http://test.skotos.net/orchil/

Edit: We have made great strides toward a new HTML5 client, which should offer a replacement to Zealotry. We're hoping to release that in the very near future, but in the meantime, using Pale Moon remains the best method for ensuring there is zero interruption to your game playing during the transition.

As of November 14, Mozilla will be auto-updating all copies of Mozilla Firefox to Mozilla 57, a new edition of their browser that will disable all legacy add-ons. This will probably include the majority of the plug-ins that you use on Mozilla, including the Skotos Zealotry plug-in.

This is a big problem for us because Zealotry is the most stable of our clients at this time, and the one that we believe is in the widest use. There's unfortunately no easy way to update it, because we'd have to rewrite it from practically scratch, using their new programming system.

There are tricks that you could use to to prevent Mozilla updates, but we don't particularly suggest them, as you want to have a clean, secure browser. Fortunately, there are two alternative browsers that will support Zealotry. Each of them branched off of an earlier version of Mozilla Firefox, and each of them continues to be updated for important security issues.

Pale Moon Browser

The Pale Moon browser is our suggested replacement. It is a totally separate browser that branched off of Firefox some years ago. It will continue to support the classic plug-ins.

To install it:
  • Install Pale Moon (Windows & UNIX only)
  • Install the Zealotry XPI on Pale Moon
  • Restart the Pale Moon Browser
  • Play on Pale Moon

The official version of Pale Moon only supports Windows and UNIX, but you can also get a slightly less official version of Pale Moon for the Mac. We've tested it out and it looks like it's clean and works correctly, but use your own level of caution in working with the Mac variant.

If You Have Errors

Some users are experiencing "Content Encoding Errors" when using Pale Moon and Zealotry. As best we can tell, this is due to an incompatibility between Windows 8.1, Pale Moon, and Plugins. If you have this problem (or any other), we suggest instead using Mozilla's extended-release version of Firefox, which branched at Firefox 52. It's expected to remain supported until at least June 28, 2018, by which time Mozilla is planning to jump their ESR to a post-plugin phase. This is therefore a short-term solution, but we expect to have full release of our New HTML5 client well before that.

To install it:
The Big Picture

Our larger-scale goal is to introduce a new client that will be usable on any browser and make our games generally more accessible. We've had a HTML5 client in process since last year, but are currently hitting roadblocks that make a deployment before November 14 problematic. We've also just started a second project, which would be more specifically focused as a Zealotry replacement, without worries about new bells or new whistles. Both of these possibilities are being done out-of-house, by Skotos players, but they're receiving our highest level of attention for whatever support they need, as this is all our top priority.

So, consider this a short-term fix, but in the meantime if you use Zealotry, please download one of the alternative browsers and test them out ASAP.
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  • Anyone else find that they need their forum posts approved?

    For some reason whenever I write a new post in my Logs and Stream thread nothing gets posted. Seems like someone needs to approve my postings.

    What's that all about?

  • #2
    ... and I just approved this post, so that it'd appear.
    I don't see anything unusual about your account that would make your posts require approval - but I don't know the details of how it figures out what to moderate and what to allow through.
    Mea squints at you, "For a magical nudist he sure is carrying lots of pie."

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    • #3
      Aha! You've got posts about "streaming"

      A lot of our spam is advertising for "live stream" and other streaming services, so it's probably picking up that you use similar language to the posts that are constantly being marked as spam.

      If there's another word you can use for future posts, that'll probably help you avoid the automatic moderation.
      Mea squints at you, "For a magical nudist he sure is carrying lots of pie."

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      • #4
        The word that can not be spoken!
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        • #5
          Originally posted by SHAzrael View Post
          If there's another word you can use for future posts, that'll probably help you avoid the automatic moderation.
          A solution to make up for the failures of a system still means there's an error in the system.

          Can you do better?

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          • #6
            PhilippeCP, your account according to the stats on your little profile card next to posts also only has 36 posts (as of this writing). Sure, 36/36 non-spam but it's a low number of posts over a 7 year lifetime (also showing joined June 2010). I don't have any real knowledge of vBulletin's or Akismet's algorithms right now, I'll look some up soon, but if I had to guess at what I'd do you're still kind of not fully vetted. I know, no one is super active on this forum and the average posts/lifetime numbers are probably low across the board for us, but it wouldn't have been written for us and based on how well they've done updating everything else that worked with our previous forum system I don't think they'd have modified this either.

            I think we should reduce the anti-spam posting mechanisms and increase the bot registration counters, IMHO.

            Again, this is just a guess.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ToothlessRebel View Post
              PhilippeCP, your account according to the stats on your little profile card next to posts also only has 36 posts (as of this writing).
              That's because Shannon deleted six years of my postings about four months ago. So I mean... This isn't a problem I have an ability to solve. I have always been active.
              And before you ask: I did not deserve to have my posts deleted. Shannon made a mistake and this is the next piece of fallout from that.

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              • #8
                Was only a suggestion as to why this account may look suspicious to an automated system. It's a pain to have to deal with your situation and I hope it can be resolved.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PhilippeCP View Post
                  A solution to make up for the failures of a system still means there's an error in the system.

                  Can you do better?
                  I agree that there's an error in the system. To me, it looks like the system made a false positive.

                  Can I (or Skotos) do better? To be completely honest, probably not.

                  There's a lot of spam, and no perfect way to deal with it. I added those "words that should not be spoken" to the list, because we were literally getting hundreds of spam posts slipping through, and searching the forum history most of the banned words only came up in 1 or 2 legitimate posts. There were many complaints about the volume of spam, from many different players.

                  So, while I acknowledge that it's not a perfect solution, it was the best solution I had available.

                  I don't think this is a problem you can solve - but I'm not sure it's a problem I can solve either. If I do find a solution, I'll absolutely use it. In the meantime, I'll try to minimize the impact when posts get incorrectly quarantined, and try to be as transparent as possible when letting you know why something got blocked. We've all got to work within the systems that we've been given!
                  Mea squints at you, "For a magical nudist he sure is carrying lots of pie."

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                  • #10
                    Hey Shazrael,

                    That was a great answer. I understand you can only do so much with what you have. I also understand that the forum spam is a real problem.

                    I really appreciate you looking into this and taking the time to answer me back. If you say this is the best we can do then I'm happy with the result.
                    More importantly I'm happy that you continued this dialogue in the way you did. I hope that in the future more topics can be addressed this way.

                    Bully for you,
                    Philippe

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                    • #11
                      Geesh 33 posts over 7yrs.. I only have 245 over 16yrs.. I think your doing fine keep up the good work
                      blank kills you with blank's bare hands.
                      You are slain.

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