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    I think a good way to balance combat across the board would be to provide all weapons with attacks that increase and decrease stances. As is stands now only staves and spears have moves that can increase and decrease your stance. This provides these weapons with an increased versatility that other weapons are definitely lacking, and I think it would go a long way into bringing all the weapons on an even playing field.

  • #2
    Send a @request in for it.

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    • #3
      actually, the correct one would be @feedback

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      • #4
        you missed swords
        Bring it on you lovers of flame it turns my crank.

        Slave to RP.

        We believe in euthanasia here in TEC. We'll kill you any time, just ask.-Tale

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        • #5
          Looking for input or feed back from other players.

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          • #6
            OK I'll bite.

            Pard has one that throws you in berserk, 1hax and 2hax have a stepping attack and tridents have a defensive catch.

            I think global balance would be unrealistic and undesirable, I think the rock-paper-scissors paradigm is the best way to go and was intended from the start. If this were the case, every weapon would have some good match-ups and some bad ones. I don't really know much about what's going on in the meta at the moment because I don't participate in much PVP, but from what I've read, staves are the current flavor of the year. I've fought along-side with some stavers and have seen what they can do in a PVE setting. Let's just say the grass looks greener on the other side. Getting to a place where every weapon has some nice strengths and weaknesses would be a good start. Some are closer to this purpose than others.

            My swordsman uses Avros, which is a fairly slow skillset. Many attacks are also silly gambits that leave openings, making them extremely dangerous against intelligent AI and would be a significant disadvantage in PVP. OHS has great defense with a shield, but unfortunately Avros and Nelsor are designed to work against that strength. OHS crit quality is among the worst in the game, Avros and Nelsor attacks however, seem to do well enough. No idea about Pard, but I'm assuming it's good? I think a stepping move would be helpful for OHS, Avros and Nelsor, though it definitely wouldn't be my first choice for improvements. Pretty much any quality of life improvements would be appreciated.

            My spearsman hits hard, has parting attacks and takes full advantage of stepping stab and parting slash. Spears has a long-range only feint (really annoying), sweep is difficult and is countered by rolling rise or can sometimes be stood out of. This is a good thing though, because impale paired with a guaranteed sweep would be overpowered. The skillset is a good example of balancing strengths and weaknesses. Using a spear two-handed sacrifices some defense for a stronger offense, with a good mix of attacks. It feels pretty balanced imo. It suffers some penalties when at close range but performs well at a distance.

            I don't know that giving every weapon a way to change stances would be the best way to make a difference. My preference would be to work on balance the hard way, slowly improving weaker weapons and adjusting their strengths and weaknesses so they all feel like they have a place in combat.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by The_thief View Post
              Looking for input or feed back from other players.
              I think you should just give up on the topic. Top tier pvp/ranks characters have been complaining for awhile about the current state of some skillsets. The realization is nothing is going to be done or added unless something is caught being abused. I'm still waiting for people to stop going aww, such awesome crits for Knives and realize I have zero accuracy outside of chop.

              That's just my input though, not trying to be a negative nancy but you really are fighting a losing battle. The only one who was willing to make actual changes was Japes and all he did was leave the game in more chaos because he left before finishing them. Maybe that's what they're afraid of, touching combat and making the chaos even worse than it is now.

              One does always tend to pick comfort over improvement.

              If they were going to leave skillsets with weaker offense that way, it would be nice if they removed the penalty for aiming toward specific sections of the body to open up more ability to counterplay dodges/weapon blocks without losing -20+ offense. No point of having a -20 penalty for aiming somewhere other than default in my opinion anyway. Unless they're trying to chop you in a specific body part such as neck, then that deserves a penalty.

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              • #8
                ^ That.

                However, it looks like the GMs have been making efforts towards changes that encourages involvement, turnover and character development lately. Here's to hoping for more good things.

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                • #9
                  As someone who has been in the game forever, there will always be unbalance, combat upper tier isnt supposed to be balanced its supposed to be a group effort (see fran) pvp is a whole nother horse and buggy. Play the game with the weapon you want, regardless of what weapon there is always someone who is gonna have 9088979789 ranks and will beat you so just have fun out there.
                  P.S
                  Fish still hurt throwing them at people
                  "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kered View Post
                    there is always someone who is gonna have 9088979789 ranks and will beat you

                    How many people in this category has knocked someone out and looted them recently? I don't understand why people are worried about those with huge ranks if those people sit in there RP lane and dont for the sake of it just go around knocking people out..
                    Tale responds from afar, "Decided to give out t-shirts to all the people I murder. Three so far. This way you can all say, "Tale murdered me! .....and all I got was this stupid t-shirt!!""

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ciaran View Post

                      I think you should just give up on the topic. Top tier pvp/ranks characters have been complaining for awhile about the current state of some skillsets. The realization is nothing is going to be done or added unless something is caught being abused. I'm still waiting for people to stop going aww, such awesome crits for Knives and realize I have zero accuracy outside of chop.
                      Summed it up perfectly.

                      Although I had a little hope when I saw them doing minor combat changes, I've accepted that combat mechanic fixes and balances on a grand scale aren't coming.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Felisin View Post


                        How many people in this category has knocked someone out and looted them recently? I don't understand why people are worried about those with huge ranks if those people sit in there RP lane and dont for the sake of it just go around knocking people out..
                        I should reword how I wrote that so it sounds more correct, people put to much into this weapon is better than that weapon, I play OHS it used to be best ever with multi-ability to swap stances, then the weapon of the month would switch every couple months to what is the best, just play what you want even if its cestus, and enjoy. I remember when knives that that faceslash unblockable and the forums blew up about this weapon is op, then staves with triplebash, then whips, then tridents then catapults.
                        We get it, pvp to some folks is the end all of end all, other folks just want to log in play what little time they have talk to a couple people make a good story and go on, cause in a few months spears wont be the best ever, and something else will be.
                        "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

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                        • #13
                          These posts always fall into two camps

                          A) People with characters with OP skillset who claim there's no way to fix it and it's not imbalanced and other skillsets have stuff too blah blah

                          B) People without characters with OP skillset offering interesting ideas on how to better balance

                          Basically, everyone in this thread should come clean on whether they have a staver or not.
                          Originally posted by glenh
                          Maybe a new 'general' skill called "wait". Which allows you to wait for boats/caravans etc. Each rank could give you a 1% chance not to miss it so at rank 100 you'd be best at catching the boats whilst AFK, and it would also provide a benefit to ranking it up.

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                          • #14
                            I have a staver and I have been pushing for balance changes for years.
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                            • #15
                              I had a staver recently, I've also had other characters with broken/OP weapons... at first it's fun, but then you get to the point where no one wants to fight because of certain imbalances. I've also been (usually by choice for selfish reasons) on the side of the garbage weapon where you know there's no way you're going to beat anyone with even a basic understanding of combat PvP knowledge short of a miracle, sometimes it's fun, sometimes it's meh.

                              Most of us know there will never be true balance, but fixing glaring issues goes a long way.

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